C`van to demountable project

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  1. waynesworld

    waynesworld Read Only Funster

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    I think i have at last decided what to do with myself over the next few years LOL, well i hope a bit sooner. The thing is i have wanted to go over to Spain on a driving holiday, but now as i have got this Portuguese vehicle i think its a good idea to go there instead, well aswell, so i can visit a few car breakers for parts for it, i havnt told SWMBO about that bit yet so sshhh LOL

    At first it was a 5th wheeler i wanted but its way to expensive for me to build it properly, so the demountable came along, but then i came across this caravan which looked ok at first, now it was cheap for what i offered him for it so i wasnt bothered what was underneath, i was going to renovate the C`van as its a nice looker.

    This is my pride and joy which i have been using in the last month or so for my off road toy aswell as everyday car.

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    And the C`van i was going to fix up

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    I like the van but as i was ripping out it got worse and worse, then over the few weeks i have had it, and still with the idea of going abroad and towing a c`van the idea came back to do the demountable camper for the UMM.

    I am still deciding if to use the whole caravan body and parts, electrics,cooker, fridge, cupboards etc etc, or build a new body and use the accessories, the thing is i dont want it looking like one of them campers where it looks like a c`van just dropped on the pick up, i think i can make it look half decent though.

    Most demountable have a rear door but if i use the c`vn body then i will be able to keep the door where it is, on the side, i will need to shorten the back end and loose the rear kitchen as the overhang will be to much i think. But also keep a small loo room.

    I have been wanting to do some proper measurments but i have once again lost my beloved tape measure...like i do.

    So keep watching and see what happens:Wink::Wink:

    Wolly n T
     
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    if a garden shed can be used why not a caravan

    As most MHF members that go to Malvern each year... there is a pickup truck with a garden shed on the back... it has a wagon wheel on it and a few arrows.. so if they can use a garden shed why not a caravan.. we have seen this mismatch before in europe and MMM (magazine) often has photos that subscribers have sent in of different type finishes they have seen on there travels.

    Be interested in seeing the end result ..

    Have fun

    Bob
     
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    first thing, whats the payload and rear axle limit of the UMM ?

    looks to me like around 1/2 ton
     
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    I prefer your second option (highlighted) .. use the c/v as a doner, and built a bespoke box . Not only will it look better but will be stronger and much less likely to develop leaks..

    Caravans depend on the furniture for rigidity , once you start altering it will lose the integral strength the furniture provided..

    I've seen quite few caravans grafted onto flatbed trucks and never seen one that I thought looked good. .. go for a bespoke cabin .. you know you want to.. :thumb:
     
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    that will take a garden shed

    John, that is more than enough for a garden shed :Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:


    Bob:Blush:
     
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    Hi Bob, thats the thing now, i have seen some contraptions around and they dont look nice one bit to me, morso SWMBO, she doesnt even like to be in Marmite much, god knows what she is going to do on a 5000 mile trip :Laughing:

    Not being posh or picky, but i like to have something that looks ok aswell as practical, before it is said, i like the look of Marmite.......now:Laughing:

    On the project, i have been looking at measurments as i nipped to the local diy rip of shop and got another tape measure, now the c`van will go nicley length ways but it sticks out 10 inch either side from the pickup, i could narrow it, but the rear end is a whole plastic section and alot of work to narrow it down, so i can still use the sides from the c`van and get some either ally sheet of do as i was for the whole body and make it from GRP sheet.

    So still deciding realy on the body, the bit that is swaying me to build my own from scratch is the benefit of my own design to spec.
     
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    hiya bob we have been doing it for years over here. there was a company called cracamp i think it was used to advertise in the mmm mag years ago. heres one of my mates examples done on a merc 207 van chopped and a caravan slipped on the back. you have to look at old mmm mags the company i think was north devon /somerset way.
    this one was done in the late 90,s . pic took on taghazoute beach maroc. but it came from fleetwood .
     

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    As Allan has shown they can look ok, but not often, the reason i am more for the self build body.

    So one vote form ScotJimland:Smile:

    The payload is 1100kg.
     
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    considerably more than it looks then :Eeek:
     
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    Plated specs from vehicle

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    it is the wheel arch that is the issue

    Yes I have seen some good ones and some bad ones... the good ones tend to have the caravan wheel arch where the back wheels are on the pickup.... I do not see the issue with being wider if you have mirrors that allow you to see behind.... my Winnebago has a wider body than the cab.. so it is not unusual.

    I think John has hit the nail on the head with the maximum weight the truck can carry.. if it is a 1/2 ton then you will not be able to have a massive load.

    I think the build a purpose built one a better way to go. When I was talking about a shed.. I was saying we have even seen that. But also there is a lot of backup demountables on the market now. Perhaps a copy of one is the way to go... then you could build it light in weight.. use jacking legs to take it on and off the pickup... to buy one can be expensive...

    by the way I like the truck.. looks the business .. is it 4 x 4???

    Bob:thumb: p.s read post before mine after I had already posted and note the payload.. that is respectable and I am sure you could make something to fit it.
     
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    wayne that pic doesnt really tell us much.
    but the wheel arch can be put where ever bit of pimpled ally or use your imagination. . tried to get more info on the company that did them .i knew i shouldnt have got rid of years of magazines .
    you can adapt most tings to suit and make it look ok . my mate used one of those rear panels from another old van to finish his off at the back . nice bit of kit those rear panels make it look pro.
    actualy there is a old telecom box been put on skids on ebay .look at demountables . was only 50 if no one else bids . might be a good base for you.
     
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    Yes Bob, a 4x4 with hi/low t box and 4x2 with LSD:thumb:, dongs daglys off road, enough to to show the LR boys how its done :BigGrin:

    I had 750kg on the back the other week and it was great, pulled brill, and that was with the engine not putting out quit well, it needs a good service i think, injectors, turbo and pump clean out.

    Good to see a fan aswell, a lot say `what the heck is that thing`

    it grows on you:Smile:
     
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    The good thing is Allan is the the c`van wheel arch is in line with the UMM wheel arch, but then as said the body is 10" wider than the pickup so you will see the wheels in there LOL
    Well thats untill i fit the big tyres i am getting for it:BigGrin:

    I can always use the sides and make a new top and rear...........OOooo decisions decisions:RollEyes:

    Oh and the c`van only weighs 660kg, so once rebuilt i think it wont be far off the same.
     
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    Decision has been made, i am goig to make a new shell from scratch, i will be using the cooker/sink, fire, windows, door and frame, electrics, cushions, and a few cupboards etc etc. The chassis will be used to build the boat boat trailer, so good all round still.

    I was going to have a side door on the new body but now as it will loose a few feet of space, i am going as all and have a rear door with a rear loo/wash room.

    And i have found some jack legs i can use

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270976792...AX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_794wt_1166

    These will have the wheels cut off and have a foot plate fited, but the wheels will be kept so then they can be refitted inpalce of the foot plate so then it can be moved around at home easy on the pound /drive to be tucked away in the corner. The jack legs will also need to have new brackets welded to them as i will be having them removable from the lift legs/uprights which will swing down. If you know what i mean.
     
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    wayne .normally they have a wide piece of box steel across the front. thats what the front legs slip into . the rear can be worked similar .the front legs either fit vertical or horizontal for storage.
    jack l;egs are easy made from lots of jacks . scrap yard would be a place to go. or use a farm jack .this can lift each point in turn and be used for other things .even a winch.
    give a pm. if you want more info. tried posting pics but its not working .
     
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    hopefully this as worked one is my old suntrekker and the other is some sizes of the later style .you may be able to see how the legs fit . .originally they use a short piece of box either side .i fitted along piece as it seemed better. i have had 3 suntrekkers they are great. always looking for another if its cheap .might fit one on my truck. have thought about a bt box but they can be a bit large to lift.
     

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    Hi Alan, thanks for that kida, i know the idea of how they fit, just cant say in text lol. i have had and used Hi Lift/ Farm jacks in the past when off roading and i am not keen on them realy, also i will have a winch fitted to the UMM :Wink:

    The main concern i have at the minute is if to build the main structure from ally or steel, there wont be much to it but still, it will save weight, which is a big point i want to think of.
     
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    hi, i thought those demensions could be usefull to you . at least we know they work.
    i would do a box steel frame and then either ally or these days i use plastic coated steel from one of our local roof companies . try a google on claddco. go to prices then drop to sheets .
    this is ideal as its a finished product . use rivets and its a new looking great box . looks right as well. will take paint but get the colour you want and its job done.
    must be someone doing it near you.
    i bought a lot of seconds a few years ago but bright red .thats why i have a red door on my trailer .might paint it one day.
     

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