Bio-Fuel

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  1. Melian

    Melian Funster

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    Hi.

    Do any one use Bio-Fuel? I have a Fiat 2.8JTD Reg 2006 and would like to give it a try as it cost only 80p ltr

    Fisherman8
     
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    Hi Fisherman8

    We use bio diesel in our landrover discovery td5 and our seat ibiza 19d
    we all so have a 2.8jtd motorhome that we havent used bio diesel in as yet because of the warranty on the motorhome ,but as soon as the warranty is up we will be using bio diesel .
    Betty
     
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    I filled up with bio-diesel on my way up to Newark (quite a bit more that 80p though) and it seemed to run fine - smelt a bit chip-shoppy,:Smile: but I didn't have any problems with it. Had to fill up with regular diesel next time though as there wasn't a bio-diesel supplier around (that I knew of anyway).

    John

    PS Peter & Betty - does it affect your warranty? I didn't know that.
     
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  4. Melian

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    Thanks Betty i did not think about the warranty i have the same as you and Peter The Roadstar 780 i may have to wait for the warranty to run out.

    P.S Jaydee if you are any where near Exeter any time you can get the bio-fuel near Creley adventre park on the Sidmouth Road.
     
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    peterandbetty Read Only Funster

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    Dont honestley know if it would affect the warranty ,but you could bet if something went wrong with the engine you could bet they would blame it on the bio diesel .

    Betty
     
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    Hi all

    Found the following on another forum, it may be of interest to you.

    Service News: Bio-fuels are an integral part of the Peugeot Marque's policy for the protection of the environment and for
    sustainable development.
    Bio-diesels, fatty acid methyl or ethyl esters, usually vegetable oils, may be mixed with conventional diesel.
    Apart from the above-mentioned environmental aspect, their use improves the lubricating capacity of the
    fuel and thus protects the injection equipment against wear.
    Important Reminder
    The Peugeot Marque strongly advises against the use of crude vegetable oil (for example, cooking oil) in
    diesel engines. Although the calorific value of this oil is close to that of diesel, its physical-chemical
    properties (viscosity, molecular density and cetane index) are far from being the equivalent of those of
    diesel or of bio-diesel.
    Also, the use of crude oils in modern diesel engines (direct injection) causes two major problems:
    • Irreversible damage to the engine

    The use of diester and related terms of warranty
    • The Peugeot Marque is in favour of bio-diesel on condition that the quality of the bio-diesel/fatty
    acid methyl ester used complies with European standard EN14214 and that the end-product fuel
    complies with standard EN590, that is, a maximum of 5% fatty acid methyl ester content.
    The Peugeot Marque therefore grants its contractual warranty coverage for vehicles using fuel
    which meets this standard.
    • 30% bio-diesel mixture with diesel fuel (B30: rape seed based vegetable oil methyl ester).
    Deliveries must be guaranteed by the fuel companies for captive fleets (businesses, local
    authorities, etc…) and fuel storage must not exceed three months.
    The subsidiary and/or importer will notify you in writing of the captive fleets complying with the
    above-mentioned application conditions. Only vehicles complying with these conditions
    applicable to captive fleets, will be covered by the PEUGEOT manufacturer's warranty.
    • On the other hand, the Peugeot Marque does not provide warranty coverage for the use of
    pure bio-diesel (B100): poor resistance of the fuel system elastomers (risk of leaks causing
    starting and running problems) and of the injection equipment.
     
  7. Melian

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    Just Phoned Fiat they have said that if i use Bio-Fuel then the warranty would be void as they do not recomend any other fuel then diesel:Angry:
     
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    <snipped>
    Thanks for that info.
    There's a place not far from Winkley and another place at Whidden Down, which we usually go by on our way up country.

    I was under the impression that bio diesel is kinder to the engine than ordinary diesel. And anyway the City Diesel that the likes of Sainsbury's sells is 5% bio diesel, so does that "affect the warranty"? I doubt it. Anything to wriggle out of their responsibilities.:Angry:

    Thanks for the heads up.

    John
     
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    Hmmm not sure about this when you hear of the food shortages around the world caused by crops being diverted to make bio fuels?
     
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    For the uninitiated. Try reading about the subject before commenting.
    What has failing crops to do with cleanining and refining
    USED OIL
    .
    Its probably been used to make your indian,chinese or whatever meal. And now I am making use of it to power my motor home, cleaner and healthier than you and your pure unadulterated oil from the ground.:shout:

    Happy polluting.:Rofl1:

    Don
     
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    I am not decrying anyone using bio fuel just pointing out that I am unsure. Not all bio fuel is made using old oil. A great deal of the worlds crops are being diverted to the making of bio fuel (nothing to do with failing crops) this is leading to rising prices and food shortages in some countries as you say one should check the facts before commenting!!!
     
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    Munchie Funster Life Member

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    Comments like the following are what makes me unsure about buying biofuels. I have to add that those those who make there own from old oil obviously do not fall within this category.




    09 April
    UN Joins the Biofuels Backlash


    UN secretary-general, Ban Ki-moon, last week called for a comprehensive review of the organisation's policy on using biofuels to help fight fossil fuel-led climate change.
    "We need to be concerned about the possibility of taking land or replacing arable land because of these biofuels," Ban told the Guardian. His comments comes as a new peak in global food prices - partly due to the increased use of crops for energy generation - threatens to trigger social instability throughout the world. The UN's World Food Programme said last week that 33 countries in Asia and Africa now face political instability as the urban poor struggle to feed their families. As the Daily Telegraph reported, the World Bank said last week "that the price of staple foods has risen by 80 per cent in the past three years".
     
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