Beware cheap generators

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  1. Wildman

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    Cheap generators of the Clark , B&Q 850W sort can and do cause massive problems to modern motorhomes. They can still be used if some precautions are followed.
    1) do not connect to EHU on the van.
    2) do not use the built in charger that came with the van use a stand alone 12v charger (not the low current 12v output on the genny.
    3) run any appliances off of an extension lead.
    These generators and their ilk have serious voltage spikes that can take out your on-board electronics, Electrabloc etc.
    [HI]
    You have been warned
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    I remember reading Dave Newell posting about the electrobock thing saying if you have one of these you needed something to protect it (I think not as young and all that) perhaps Dave would like to post on here ?


    Ahhh found it on daves web site I knew I had seen it somewhere


    Taken from daves web site




    Schaudt Elektroblock distribution units, as fitted to many German built motorhomes have a serious issue with mains voltage fluctuations. essentially if everyone on site switches off their electric kettle at the same time it can cause a voltage spike that will kill the battery charger element of the Elektroblock. The Schaudt OVP01 removes this possibility by filtering out high voltage spikes. The unit measures 131mm long, 90mm high, 50mm thick.

    £85.78 inc Vat + P&P

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    Would you not be able to protect against 'spikes' by simply using an ordinary 13amp surge protection lead? between the geny & the van.
    I see you are saying cheap generators I assume that Honda are OK ,
    So what is the difference between the sine wave on a Honda to a Clark. I only ask as I was thinking of buying a Clark.
     
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    Oh cheers...guess what ive got sitting in the shed for future use? I,d better think again, I suppose it going to end up being a Honda after all:cry::cry:
    not that ive got the german stuff (they bombed our chip shop:Rofl1:), but the others may be similarly fragile:Angry:.
     
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    there is nothing wrong with the clarke inverter one same as the other chinese inverter generators they are not as robust as the honda but they are not the same price.

    the generators roger were on about are the somewhat unregulated 2 stroke £59.99 things from lidl etc.
     
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    Got one of those from Dave when he fitted the solar panel for us. Dead easy to fit. Just plugs in to the Elektroblock and tucks neatly beside it.
     
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    I use a clarke gene, not got a electro bloc tho, not since I sold the Hymer, just a 12v charger......I've also got one of the cheapo 2 stroke, I almost got 2 revs out of it once....AND it almost started !! .:cry:.....anyone want to buy a cheap 2 stroke gene...:thumb:
     
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    sounds like it needs a new plug (as does mine) These problems never affected the old motorhomes that lacked electronics. and would be quite safe if used with an external charger. a generator new for £60 ish has to have some drawbacks. but on the plus side you are not burning a lot of expencive petrol:Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
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    Must admit, I did get it going once, ran it without load for about 15 mins, then it went on strike, never bothered with it since..........I'm a motor vehicle engineer and MOT tester but I don't even service my own vehicles now........she says I'm idle....but I haven't got the energy to start a row...:Angry:
     
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    I have had the clarke 1Kw sine generator and it has been fine for 9 months. Must have put 40 hours on it in that time no problems.
     
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    it isnt the more expensive (£250+) inverter models, but the cheap 650w/750w 2 stroke jobbies.

    no voltage regulation as such and rely on pre-determined engine speed to produce 230v and 50hz frequency, which is why they should always be warmed up and revs stabilised before plugging in
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    Anybody own one of these the price seems ok


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    good make and used by many plant hire companies but parts are very expensive.
     
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    On the verge of buying a Honda eu20i, can`t find a local dealer with a decent price, but with the potential hastle of having to return it, is it worth paying the extra?

    If not, anyone know of a good reputable online dealer with half decent prices?

    Thanks

    Steve
     
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    "should always be warmed up and revs stabilised before plugging in"

    I see you've met my wife then Pappajohn........found out what I was doing wrong.........had no children since
     
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    Let us know which hospital you will be in Rob so we can come and visit
     
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    Also, adding the Gas conversion kit adds about £140, is it worth haviing?

    Thanks
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    Simple answer.......YES

    We have one and would not have a petrol one on board along with the necessary spare fuel.

    Brian
     
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    Brian did offer to let us borrow his gene at Peterborough, then he found out that it wouldn't work under water. :Doh:

    Nice talking to you yesterday both but next time we had better not meet in your bedroom....:Rofl1:
     
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    :Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:
    BEEN USING MY TWO STROKE GENNY FOR SIX YEARS NOW NO PROBLEMS. JUST MAKE SURE MAIN SWITCH IS OFF CONNECT GENNY WHEN RUNNING AT A STEADY PACE SWITCH ON MAIN SWITCH NO PROBS.
     
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