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Whatever the rights or wrong of this, it's a horrible thing to know that someone has tried to break into your beloved motorhome. Gail & Tony, you have our sympathies.
 

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No damage and we have good cctv of the assailant however, when forensic officer attended he took nothing becuase they arent allowed to climb ladders, please can one of you post on forum we are now relying solely on cctv. i think this is so unfair. we offered to take photos of full footprints and to be talked through fingerprint removal but apparently that is not allowed either. want other funsters to be aware that getting justice is stacked on offenders side not ours. ty gail tony and robert

Is this a classic example of our Politically Correct "nanny" society!! or is it just this particular policeman/woman being lazy or maybe even "not bothering" because nothing was stolen!!

Some years ago we had our caravan broken into (by smashing a window) and quite a few items stolen including the dinette seat cushions!!

We informed the police and a PC came round to take a statement and see the damage - when I asked him to check for fingerprints he refused on the grounds that the thief probably wore gloves!!

A few days later my wife saw a couple of small tents on some waste ground near us, one had the door flap wide open and there in full view was our missing dinette seat cushions laid out as a bed!! She informed the Police who then recovered them (but not the other stolen goods - mini TV, radio & DVD player)

Some time later the Police told me that the case was now closed so I asked if the culprit (who was known to the Police) was convicted - they informed me that he had not even been questioned because he would just say he found the setee cushions at the side of the road and the Police would not be able to prove otherwise!!

As I doubt very much that this thief even owned any gloves, far less wore them, had the Police bothered to dust for prints then I'm sure they would have got a conviction!!

As an ex serviceman I am a great supporter of our Police force but my opinion of the outcome of my case and the one posted by @movan is that the Police are instructed from above not to bother with what they consider to be minor break ins etc.

The opinion of any serving or retired Police Officer on this forum would be very welcome.

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The Church at St Stephen had windows smashed, when plod arrived he refused to climb a ladder as "he hadn't had any ladder training"
 

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The Church at St Stephen had windows smashed, when plod arrived he refused to climb a ladder as "he hadn't had any ladder training"
Do you know it's called "working at height training" now. Our installers have to have it for using a step up no more than 30cm but still working at height!
 

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Is this a classic example of our Politically Correct "nanny" society!! or is it just this particular policeman/woman being lazy or maybe even "not bothering" because nothing was stolen!!

Some years ago we had our caravan broken into (by smashing a window) and quite a few items stolen including the dinette seat cushions!!

We informed the police and a PC came round to take a statement and see the damage - when I asked him to check for fingerprints he refused on the grounds that the thief probably wore gloves!!

A few days later my wife saw a couple of small tents on some waste ground near us, one had the door flap wide open and there in full view was our missing dinette seat cushions laid out as a bed!! She informed the Police who then recovered them (but not the other stolen goods - mini TV, radio & DVD player)

Some time later the Police told me that the case was now closed so I asked if the culprit (who was known to the Police) was convicted - they informed me that he had not even been questioned because he would just say he found the setee cushions at the side of the road and the Police would not be able to prove otherwise!!

As I doubt very much that this thief even owned any gloves, far less wore them, had the Police bothered to dust for prints then I'm sure they would have got a conviction!!

As an ex serviceman I am a great supporter of our Police force but my opinion of the outcome of my case and the one posted by @movan is that the Police are instructed from above not to bother with what they consider to be minor break ins etc.

The opinion of any serving or retired Police Officer on this forum would be very welcome.
The point has been made by several people that this was an attempted break in and nothing was stolen. Yes this was a crime but today's scarce police resources are better used on more serious matters where someone has either been hurt or valuables stolen and there is a decent chance of a prosecution. I'm sorry for Gail as the victim of this crime but that is life. It is what it is. It is a similar situation to the ambulance that took me to hospital; the first one was diverted due to a suspected heart attack and although mine was urgent, it was not critical/life threatening and nobody should have an issue with that.......

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The point has been made by several people that this was an attempted break in and nothing was stolen. Yes this was a crime but today's scarce police resources are better used on more serious matters where someone has either been hurt or valuables stolen and there is a decent chance of a prosecution. I'm sorry for Gail as the victim of this crime but that is life. It is what it is. It is a similar situation to the ambulance that took me to hospital; the first one was diverted due to a suspected heart attack and although mine was urgent, it was not critical/life threatening and nobody should have an issue with that.......

True - however in my case quite a lot was stolen, the likely thief was identified but not even questioned! :confused:
 
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Is this a classic example of our Politically Correct "nanny" society!! or is it just this particular policeman/woman being lazy or maybe even "not bothering" because nothing was stolen!!

Some years ago we had our caravan broken into (by smashing a window) and quite a few items stolen including the dinette seat cushions!!

We informed the police and a PC came round to take a statement and see the damage - when I asked him to check for fingerprints he refused on the grounds that the thief probably wore gloves!!

A few days later my wife saw a couple of small tents on some waste ground near us, one had the door flap wide open and there in full view was our missing dinette seat cushions laid out as a bed!! She informed the Police who then recovered them (but not the other stolen goods - mini TV, radio & DVD player)

Some time later the Police told me that the case was now closed so I asked if the culprit (who was known to the Police) was convicted - they informed me that he had not even been questioned because he would just say he found the setee cushions at the side of the road and the Police would not be able to prove otherwise!!

As I doubt very much that this thief even owned any gloves, far less wore them, had the Police bothered to dust for prints then I'm sure they would have got a conviction!!

As an ex serviceman I am a great supporter of our Police force but my opinion of the outcome of my case and the one posted by @movan is that the Police are instructed from above not to bother with what they consider to be minor break ins etc.

The opinion of any serving or retired Police Officer on this forum would be very welcome.

You and others may not like this answer but its about resources and priorities . Given that these are limited what is available has to be used to best effect. If a particular matter is not life threatening or of high value it will be a low priority. Also, it has to be remembered that at different times of the day, different resources may or may not be available.

I think individual police officers would love to spend more time and effort on matters if they were not understaffed and saddled with workloads that frankly are huge in most cases with the result that they cannot do other than give little time and effort to low priority cases.

I do not comment on individual cases, as different real police officers and civillian SOCO people will react differently to matters, like any other profession, some are very very good and some perhaps not so good. Certainly cutting in police budgets to levels which have gone far beyond efficiency savings coupled with mass civilianisation has had a detrimental effect on policing. Civilian PCSO's have a place, but should not be used to replace the real warranted officers.

The bottom line at the moment, which is not likely to change is, if there is little chance of forensic evidence either being obtained or of use, if there are no witnesses and no apparent lines of enquiry, or the time and effort needed investigate would use up resources better and more effectively used elsewhere. its a no go.

There will always be cases where the aggrieved thinks more could or should have been done, sometimes justifiably, sometimes not.
 

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I got burgled about 12 years ago and quite a nice BMW was stolen.

Our wonderful police eventually found it wrapped around a tree.

It wasn't released to my insurers for weeks because, and I quote " forensics are all over it"

When I eventually got it back, the boot was full of crowbars, screwdrivers and jackets belonging to the thieves.

The police " thought they were mine":doh:
 

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I got burgled about 12 years ago and quite a nice BMW was stolen.

Our wonderful police eventually found it wrapped around a tree.

It wasn't released to my insurers for weeks because, and I quote " forensics are all over it"

When I eventually got it back, the boot was full of crowbars, screwdrivers and jackets belonging to the thieves.

The police " thought they were mine":doh:
When I got my car back I found a crowbar in the passenger seat well

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Soco on the job was probably a big wendy..once had a sky engineer fit a body harness with all the safety ropes attached went out to get a ladder all just to go up 2 rungs of a ladder which was barely a tad over 7 ft in hieight...its just pathetic.
my son worked for sky and they sacked a fair few engineers who they caught of the ground without a harness one got his job back by stating that sky had obviously failed to teach him the importance of being harnessed at all times
 

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Not saying its anyones fault it just seems so stupid to have to go through all that when you have done the job standing on a chair in 5 minutes.. Yet another engineer came and did the exact opposite.. Went up a ladder no harness no safety ropes and walked across a apex roof which he told me theyre not supposed to do.. So if they wanted the job someone would have had to have done it.
 

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"Health and Safety"?. I had 18 years as a Boiler and Pressure Vessel Examiner. When I started, we used our experience, a previous 18ish yrs Merchant Navy Engineer, and "Common Sense". If it looked "iffy" it was checked out and tested FIRST, we had harness`etc; available but up to us when to use it, It`s called "discretion". By the time I took early retirement it was getting silly. Anything up to 50% of a job was consumed by the endless form filling and "Ar*e Covering" exercises, put in place by people who have never DONE the work in their lives!. I had a line manager who`s favourite saying was "how long", (will a job take) to which my reply was always "How long, is a piece of string?. What he forgot was that IF anything went wrong, MY signature was on the Certificate, and it would be ME facing the Judge! Not him!.

Same with our current policing, too many back-room boys/girls trying to justify their existence The old coppers knew who the local scrotes where and where to look if something went missing!. Local people looked out for each other too, nothing like a good hiding to give a potential thief second thoughts!. no CCTV, but the elderly "curtain twitcher" could tell you who had been hanging about!. Yeh! I know, nostalgia is not what it used to be!!.

Alleged true story. Guy get disturbed by attempted burglary, rings plod, and is told stay where you are, let them finish and ring back in the morning, and we will give you a Crime Number for your insurance. Covers phone partially and says to his wife give me the shot gun. 5 min later all blues and two`s outside!. Senior plod says when its` all done can I see the shot gun sir?. He replies what gun?. The SP says the one you referred to on the phone?. I don't have a shot gun is the reply, I said to the wife their after the keys to the Shogun!

Pete

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It comes down to resources and can they be bothered also if they caught the bloke he'd probably get a telling off at best. What really annoys me is schools worrying about being sued if someone is injured climbing on the roof when they aren't supposed to be there in the first place its crazy. What did make me laugh on this thread was the reaction at the start to blame the EU typical!!!!
 
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"Health and Safety"?. I had 18 years as a Boiler and Pressure Vessel Examiner. When I started, we used our experience, a previous 18ish yrs Merchant Navy Engineer, and "Common Sense". If it looked "iffy" it was checked out and tested FIRST, we had harness`etc; available but up to us when to use it, It`s called "discretion". By the time I took early retirement it was getting silly. Anything up to 50% of a job was consumed by the endless form filling and "Ar*e Covering" exercises, put in place by people who have never DONE the work in their lives!. I had a line manager who`s favourite saying was "how long", (will a job take) to which my reply was always "How long, is a piece of string?. What he forgot was that IF anything went wrong, MY signature was on the Certificate, and it would be ME facing the Judge! Not him!.

Same with our current policing, too many back-room boys/girls trying to justify their existence The old coppers knew who the local scrotes where and where to look if something went missing!. Local people looked out for each other too, nothing like a good hiding to give a potential thief second thoughts!. no CCTV, but the elderly "curtain twitcher" could tell you who had been hanging about!. Yeh! I know, nostalgia is not what it used to be!!.

Alleged true story. Guy get disturbed by attempted burglary, rings plod, and is told stay where you are, let them finish and ring back in the morning, and we will give you a Crime Number for your insurance. Covers phone partially and says to his wife give me the shot gun. 5 min later all blues and two`s outside!. Senior plod says when its` all done can I see the shot gun sir?. He replies what gun?. The SP says the one you referred to on the phone?. I don't have a shot gun is the reply, I said to the wife their after the keys to the Shogun!

Pete

Just as well its only an "alleged" true story
 

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Just as well its only an "alleged" true story

Yeh, Urban Myths, But?????????. You Never know?????????????.

I think what attracted me to it was the presumption that Plod was more concerned that a felon might get hurt than the VICTIMS of the original crime!

Pete

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Is this the same Gail who, had her Motor Home allegedly damaged/trashed some time ago, the same Gail who was videoed dancing at Newark whilst claming disability benifit, and the same Gail who accused one of security personnel for an indecent act at Lincoln Show ????????
 
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Yeh, Urban Myths, But?????????. You Never know?????????????.

I think what attracted me to it was the presumption that Plod was more concerned that a felon might get hurt than the VICTIMS of the original crime!

Pete

I think you would find the rank and file officers couldn't give a monkeys should a fellon get hurt whist carrying a crime. It's the political correct senior officers and crime commissioners that do.
 

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When you swivel the drivers seat where and how do you attach the padlock? Have an Autotrail Tracker FB. Thanks

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as some here know I am currently dealing with the police regarding a substantial physical crime. It is taking months to get anywhere as the police are just too busy. statements are taken by a civilian who also gathers evidence. this is then passed to the officer assigned to the case who is working on multiple cases at the same time. we the victims are given the task of finding and securing all evidence, which to my mind taints its validity a bit. Then when it comes to specialist departments such as computer forensics and forensic banking analysts, there is a waiting list and backlog of several months. all this time the perpetrator of a financial crime spends the money and disposes of assets and evidence
I realise there must be a "triage" system to give more weight to more serious crimes. In fact the officer on our case had to prioritise 2 cases involving a suspicious death before returning to our case. That I understand, because there are now so few front line officers in our policing area. however it gets very frustrating, especially knowing it is all down to repeated budget cuts
 

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It puts the complaint of justice being against people into perspective, doesn't it? Serious crime or some Chav trying a screwdriver on a motorhome roof. Which would you rather be priotised given limited resources? Ideally both, but we live in the real world, not a government funded utopia
 

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I have just received text off Gsil Camperbeen trashed re a male attempting to break in through sky light. Am on phone so not sure re copy and paste but will try.

Hi funsters xx i still dont have internet so want to alert you. we had a very nice male who decided to climb onto our motorhome roof just before midnight two days ago. he proceeded to try to force the skylight open. no da,age but lotd of fingerprints and footprints.

No damage and we have good cctv of the assailant however, when forensic officer attended he took nothing becuase they arent allowed to climb ladders, please can one of you post on forum we are now relying solely on cctv. i think this is so unfair. we offered to take photos of full footprints and to be talked through fingerprint removal but apparently that is not allowed either. want other funsters to be aware that getting justice is stacked on offenders side not ours. ty gail tony and robert
That is pathetic. What bunch of sissies!

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I am slightly reluctant to post at all as I didn't want to Bump this thread, but it was already close to the top so here goes.

I was always brought up to be believe that are two sides to a story, on that basis we should not be too quick to judge the police or anybody on the basis of this one sided and skimpy evidence.

And I don't even think the person or persons concerned are members on FUN anymore "for whatever reason".

Martin
 

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I have just received text off Gsil Camperbeen trashed re a male attempting to break in through sky light. Am on phone so not sure re copy and paste but will try.

Hi funsters xx i still dont have internet so want to alert you. we had a very nice male who decided to climb onto our motorhome roof just before midnight two days ago. he proceeded to try to force the skylight open. no da,age but lotd of fingerprints and footprints.

No damage and we have good cctv of the assailant however, when forensic officer attended he took nothing becuase they arent allowed to climb ladders, please can one of you post on forum we are now relying solely on cctv. i think this is so unfair. we offered to take photos of full footprints and to be talked through fingerprint removal but apparently that is not allowed either. want other funsters to be aware that getting justice is stacked on offenders side not ours. ty gail tony and robert
glad They are ok haven't heard for a while. Understandable with them having no internet . Please give them my regards when you contact them next and that I have had both my new knees bolted in, ta Martin from Colchester
 

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