Are so called wild campers spoiling it for everyone ?

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  1. bobandjanie

    bobandjanie Funster Life Member

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    We all moan in the UK about not being able to park anywhere when out and about in the motorhome. :Sad:
    And anyone that travels in France Germany Spain Portugal in their motorhome know that its never a problem, you can park anywhere and makes life so much easier, they provide aires etc and say welcome to our village / town / city, and make you feel welcome. :Smile:

    But looking at all the motorhome parking places opening up in Portugal such as Pedro's its looking like ' so called wild camping ' will be stopped in time.

    But how do you stop them, here in Javea they have always been good, come round and you must leave the following day, they went off and came back after a couple of days .:Doh:

    So they fenced off the waste ground they all parked on, but they then moved on to a parking area for some apartments, so they came and moved them on.

    They have now moved onto another piece of waste ground ( well we call it waste ground but all land belongs to someone ) they even have a fifthwheel trailer dropped on there with its slides out legs down and no truck to be seen, so more than just parked, and has to called camping . :RollEyes:

    Are these people going to spoil it for everyone, is it going to end up like the UK, go out in the camper and not be able to park anywhere, :Wink: which concerns us because its our only vehicle. :Eek!:
    If like us they only parked for one night, then moved on they would not have a problem, but some don't seem to understand when they are not wanted, until its too late.

    In Germany we know a Stellplatz ( just like Aires in France ) where some parked on this piece of ground next to it to save paying, so they just put a sign up there too. :Smile:

    I think if they did it Spain, they would rip it down or just park somewhere else, so what would you do to stop them, because I think its costing more trying to stop them, than they spend while they are here. :Doh:

    After all Spain is full of people paying to camp, that dine out and spend money in the bars. :Laughing:
    What's your view on it, because I think that motorhomes are for touring, and that becomes difficult when you have a job stopping anywhere. :Eeek: Bob.
     
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    i personally dont see the fun of camping in a supermarket carpark or on waste ground amongst rubble weeds and rubbish. with no facilities wildcampers are often prone to dumping their waste inappropriately. this then leads to areas being fenced off and all motorhomes banned from even using a spot to park for the day

    my way of looking at it is that the selfish and dirty few have spoilt it for the great many others that travel in their motorhome. as you quite rightly say, all land belongs to somebody, so what about the rights of the people on whos land they are illegally trespassing and squatting?

    i am sure we have all seen vans inappropriately camping out and not just parking. maybe if the various authorities started fining transgressors on the spot we would soon see an end to the issue. once it starts costing people to camp rough in carparks or waste ground, then they will see the need for small cheap sites

    to me freeloading tossers have got away with it for far too long, and it needs stopping to improve the opinion of the wider motorhoming community. we're not all Itinerants trying to get something for nothing whilst contaminating the environment.
     
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    When I started motorhoming in Europe it was never a problem to park almost anywhere. I spent months up and down the Spanish coast wilding mainly on beaches. There were nowhere near the amount of motorhomes in those days that there are now. People are retiring earlier and living longer with more disposable money. Its not many years ago you never saw a Spanish registered motorhome, now there are loads of them. There is just to many of us now.
     
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    I saw a number and Snowbird will back me on this one, all lined up, grey water pouring out...

    I agree with TB1 "freeloading tossers have got away with it for far too long," what's worse they brag about it... even some Funster's..
     
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    Coming from an area where you can wild camp just about anywhere. Before I bought a MH. I used to drive up the side of lomond almost daily, folk who go in tents should be moved on immediately, the experiment has been a failure. The loch side was covered in all types of debris, but mostly paper and plastic, and could only have come from one source. Motorhomes use the loch side constantly as do caravans and they seem to leave no mess on departing
     
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    Firstly let me try to explain that I do not consider wilding to be parked on supermarket carparks, garage forecourts, industrial estates, demolition sites, village greens, or anywhere near private property.
    What I do consider to be wilding is well away from anyone else, and always ask myself the question before setting up camp, would I mind if someone parked up there. If I had bought a house next to the beach with a sea view and 20 motorhomes turned up in the middle of the night and parked between me and the view I would not be well pleased.
    If they all started dumping there grey waste and cassettes where I walk my dog and grandchildren I would be even less pleased, even if they told me it was only water with a little soap in it.
    Below a few photos of what I do consider to be wildings.
     

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    Totally agree, for us wildcamping (and we've done it on 4 continents) is about being in a beautiful spot where we don't bother anyone and certainly never stay too long and never leave a mess.

    Camping in some grotty car park or bit of old scrub land or behind a supermarket just because its free is not my idea of wildcamping. Especially when the m/homes they're doing it in cost thousands and they only do it because its free, you can see why locals get annoyed I would if they parked outside my house.
     
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    I am looking forward to my fiirst bit of wild camping this year, i will certainly not be dumping any type of waste, and will be sensible, i would not be to pleased to be talked about as harshly as some of the previous posts do about wild campers, there must be plenty of us funsters that are out there doing it responsibly
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    Far more doing it responsibly than you would be led to believe :thumb:. Not all motorhomers dump waste or camp inconsiderately. The problem is that like most things in life, the majority suffer for the minority.
     
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    I must point out this is about ' so called wild campers ' that spend the winter here and have no intention of spending anything, not proper wild campers that only leave tyre tracks, and I know JJ is always going on about free loading to$$ers and being a ruffty tuffty, :Laughing: but I can assure you he is a softy and you will not see him parked with loads of ' so called wild campers ' he likes being on his own and we have had the privilege of off site parking with him :Wink:.........................but deep down he would preferred it on his own. :Rofl1:
    Bob.
     
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    There are wildcampers (one night and away) and there are freeloaders, who want as much as they can for nothing. Unfortunately the latter will spoil it for themselves, and the wildcampers, by staying in one place for months and in large numbers.

    We are presently "wild camping" at Quaios in Portugal, us and another Brit van only. Tomorrow we are moving on. We will leave no trace of our stay.
     
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    We went to France for the first time this year with our motorhome it was a revelation. We stayed mainly on aires but 2 nights on a clay pigeon shooting ground (with the permission of the village and not in use:Smile:) cost us 10 euros for the week nowhere free in Le Toquet. I think there's a balance we did stay on a car park in Beaune next to the aire.Probably shouldn't have but the aire was full and got chatting to the French motorhome owners and stayed where they were out of the way at the end of the coach park (empty) very near the town centre. I don't think it's right or wrong to stay on a full facilities park, a caravan club site (but can't understand the fun of sitting there all day and not moving on to explore) a c/l an aire or wild camping provided no litter or nuisance.I bought a motorhome to explore different places it's just a pity we seem to live in the most motorhome unfriendly country in europe.

    David
     
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    given my rant earlier I wish to make it clear that I don't see the sensible good mannered folk who park beside a Scottish loch or in the wilds of where ever leaving nothing but footprints and taking nothing but memories as the big problem. common decency prevents them from fouling the land and water courses with their waste. if you want to park in a farmers field, good luck to you, just ask

    my rant and anger is directed to the masses of people who see it as their absolute right to park en masse wherever they go and put little if anything into the community they are abusing. I live in Dorset and in a few weeks certain areas will be over run by vans parking up for as long as they can get away with on roads, carparks and rough ground. the locals hate it because of the constant litter and smell of sewage near the vans and the occupants total lack of respect for the area. all the visitors are there for is to enjoy what everyone else comes to the area to enjoy but they want to do it without paying. Im not talking about parking up and cycling into town or a beach, i am talking about setting up camp and stopping day visitors from benefitting

    whats wrong with the multitude of cheap but basic campsites and cls? £5 or £10 a night is far too much for some despite sitting in a van costing a small fortune. freeloading is a disgrace within our community and we need to see the back of it if we want to be made welcome
     
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    We have a few places that we go and every time we go we take away a bin liners full of crap left by others it only takes a few minutes to put it in the bin when you find one.
    most of the crap left is the locals
    We don't stay long maybe one or two nights and I would not consider my shelf a free loader/
     
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    If people did not (semi) wild camp in Morocco they'd have to drive all night, the sites are complet.

    But in their wonderful way, the Moroccans charge a little and it all seems to work.
     
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    No Bill your not a free loader, to be honest we have found it a job to wild camp, you find a lovely little spot, wake up in the morning and more often than not find a couple more there. :Doh:
    We normally like to park on aires in France but could not find anywhere to park and ask a frenchman, to be told park there........................right where we was. :thumb: Bob.
     
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    That might work Brain, they need a guardian because most are frightened to leave their vans. :Rofl1::Rofl1:
    How about free parking say up until 2100hrs, but if you stay all night and the police catch you its € 5 then people might be a bit more discreet about where they park. :BigGrin:
    At leased they collect something for their trouble. :Laughing: Bob.
     
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    Bill I dont want to fall out with you over this subject and recognise we have opposing views.

    I realise that, without being rude or disparaging because ive been there, that some people are genuinely on a very tight budget. the van may be their only way to get a break from life. they may not be able to afford the small fortune paid by some for their van. but why do people find a piece of dirty waste ground appealling? i have direct links with the farming community and know for a fact that most farmers would say yes if asked if a van can park at the edge of a field or in an orchard for the night. when folks dont ask though its a different matter, they are down there with the tractor waiting for the rest of the "travellers" to arrive.

    there are always options and places to suit all budgets available without breaking the bank. once a community get an opinion of what they see motorhomers are like, it takes a lot to change it. Graham went to great lengths to contact all the councils in the uk and from what i understand many are anti motorhomes for these very reasons. its not about parking in a carpark for 4 or more hours and needing to pay and display 2 or more bays. its about people having no respect for where they camp and not contributing to the local economy. you cant just keep taking without giving back

    i respect that some people do clean up after themselves like bill, but the majority from my experience dont. our local council spends a small fortune clearing litter and all manner of discarded items left by people that park up for a week or 2. then add to that the teams they have to send in to clear sewage from storm drains and off carparks. it may be different in other areas that are not tourist hotspots but anywhere that people want to be you find these people.

    take this mindset abroad and the problem grows bigger. for years people have rough camped for months on end at the same spots. just what do they do about their waste when the wheels don't turn for months and there's no proper facility to dispose of it. is it any surprise that we are seen as freeloaders and Itinerants? The Spanish are now cracking down on it, so the end is coming. some will be very disappointed that they've lost the facility others will just go do it elsewhere and move the problem with them.
     
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    Read a good book recently about a family who toured the world in a VW camper.
    They decided to call their style of camping free camping which they shortened to 'Framping'. They proudly told everyone they met until someone told them....

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=framp
     
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