Any Gas Fitters on MHF to Answer LPG Question?

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  1. MicknPat

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    Are there any Gas fitter / engineers or relatives / friends of such a person?

    I need to know if Gas fitters receive any training on LPG to qualify as a Gas engineer or is LPG treated as a separate subject and training package?

    I need some work carried out on the LPG system of our RV and wonder who go to, a Corgi qualified gas engineer or LPG gas engineer?

    Thanks Mick
     
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    Hi Mick

    LPG is a separate qualification a friend of mine runs 'Gasworks' here in Southampton and I asked him the same question a couple of weeks ago!

    Regards Pat
     
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    You will need a gas safe registered engineer who currently holds the LPG element
    which covers Leisure Accommodation Vehicles or LAV talk to Mark at CLS he`s on here and also is mobile :thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:Cheers Rob,
     
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    If you need to find a LPG gas engineer in your area go to the gas safe register website type in your post code and then scrolldown the list untill you find one with LPG and caravans.:Cool:
     
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    LPG for motorhomes

    I am a registered gas installer and I can confirm that you need to be qualified in LPG and have passed an element on leisure vehicles to be able to work on a caravan/motorhome.
    As stated earlier in the thread, look on the Gas Safe web site and find a qualified installer in your area or ring Gas Safe and ask them to for a list of qualified installers local to you.

    :RollEyes:
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    Hi Mick

    The best bet is to log on to the Gas Safe web site and look for someone in your area. Dependant on the appliance you have depends on the certification and registration they will need to have to undertake the work:

    They will need the LAV which quite rightly covers Leisure Accommodation Vehicles (Rolling chassis)

    Then they will need to have either or all of the following to work on the specific appliances as follows:

    HTRLP2 for working on Fires/Heaters
    WATLP2 for working on Water Heaters
    CKR1 for working on cookers
    REFLP2 for working on refrigerators.

    Just to have the LAV certification/registration means they are only certificated for the Safety side of LPG.


    Now here is where it gets complicated or confusing:
    If the engineer has
    Core LPG (PD) followed by CKR1, HTR1, CEN1, WAT1 then he is only allowed to work on Permanent Dwellings (Brick buildings)

    If the engineer has
    Core LPG (RPH) followed by CKR1, HTR1, CEN1, WAT1 then he is only allowed to work on Residential Park Homes (Statics, holiday homes etc)

    To work on the sector specific appliances in Motorhomes, caravans (rolling chassis) he/she must have the LP2 codes.

    Hope this helps, and you're not too confused. PM me for my mobile number if you need it.
    BTW just in case you're wondering, I co-ordinate the assessments for the gas safe registered engineers :Rofl1::Rofl1:
    Pammy
     
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    Hi Mick - I think you will find Duncan at Star Spangled Spanner is fully qualified in LPG works 01522 778944
     
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    :BigGrin: Hi Mick. Anyone who does LPG conversions should be able to do the work. :thumb:
     
  9. Mick H

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    This is interesting. I, for one, didn't know of this change to regulations, because previous rules didn't make working on gas installations in motorhomes a legal requirement.
    If these new rules DO make it a legal requirement to have the necessary qualifications to work on motorhomes, then none of us diy people can service/repair the gas appliances in our vans.

    Another example where we will not only have to pay to have this type of work carried out, but in addition, we will have to pay more VAT.

    Mick H.
     
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    Lpg

    I think that you will find the Gas Safe LPG cert covers domestic LPG installations but not touring vehicles (caravans & motorhomes). There is a separate registration known as ACOPS for these vehicles. In fact the law doesn't even require this for tourers.

    I have taken this from the TC Training web site, its a good explanation.

    ACOP LPG Caravan
    Approved Code of Practice (ACOP)
    This course is for Gas Engineers who are working out of scope in the Gas Industry on Touring Caravans.

    Training & Assessments over 4 days

    The Course consists of: Gas Safety Regulations, Characteristics of LPG, Characteristics of complete and incomplete Combustion, Expansion, Flammability & Explosive Limits, Flueing & Ventilation Requirements, Supply & Operating Pressures, Pipework Installation & Sizing, Testing for Gas Tightness, Gas emergency Actions & Procedures, Positioning & Operation of Emergency Controls and Gas Controls, Inspection Checking & Testing of LPG Appliances
     
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    beware though corgi is no longer legal they must be gas safe registered
     
  12. MicknPat

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    A BIG thanks everyone for your replies, we have already been ripped off by a recommended (by friends) qualified RV engineer in the States :Angry:.

    But not only that, we took our brand new Jeep to a Jeep dealership to have a simple wiring job done.

    The simple job was to wire a 'spare' red light in each rear side light cluster which I thought would make great rear hazard / fog warning lights, required for UK use but not in the US, I purchased an illuminated on/off switch again which is part of the UKs legal requirement.

    Now as I'm sure you all know your rear hazard or fog lights are only suppose to work when your head lights are turned on.

    Now the Jeep electrician struggled with this job and made a complete hash of it so much that we had to get it done again in Southampton when we had the car SVA'd (now called IVA):Angry::Angry:

    Mick
     
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    I've been trying to research wether it is now a legal requirement to have certification to work on gas appliances in motorhomes, following the changes from Corgi to Gas Safety.
    What I have found suggests that there has been NO change, in this respect, so those of us who service our own vans appliances can still do so and be legal.

    Mick H.
     
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    To the best of my knowledge there is still no requirement for Corgi/Gas Safe registration to work on a motorhome or caravan's LPG system. It is highly reccomended though that you be "Competent". What this means in the real world is anybody doing such work in the course of a business should at the very least have an ACOPS certification.

    D.
     
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    Hi Mick
    I never said that it was a legal requirement. Mick asked:

    Ineed to know if Gas fitters receive any training on LPG to qualify as a Gas engineer or is LPG treated as a separate subject and training package?

    I need some work carried out on the LPG system of our RV and wonder who go to, a Corgi qualified gas engineer or LPG gas engineer?


    and I answered him correctly. I know there is an ACoP route but I don't know anything about it. I only know of the ACS Gas Safe Registered route.

    But let's not lose site of one very important thing here and I've said this on previous threads. Anyone who works on any type of gas appliances who is not 'competent' to do so (and competent means certificated either by ACS or ACoP accreditation) and causes a fatality will most certainly be up before the man with the curly wig.


    The regs are here - have a read
    http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l56.pdf
     
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