Android box with koi and PVR recorder (1 Viewer)

[Stonemags76]

Hi
Has anyone successfully connected an android TV box with kodi to a PVR recorder? is it possible? Paying a fortune for Sky, but we do like to record and watch later. Anyone done it? Thanks!

 

[RogerThat]

Not sure why you'd want to connect it to a recorder? Isn't that the whole point of Kodi, that it's on demand?

Or have I misunderstood your question?

 

[chaser]

Hi
Has anyone successfully connected an android TV box with kodi to a PVR recorder? is it possible? Paying a fortune for Sky, but we do like to record and watch later. Anyone done it? Thanks!

No need it's all there all the time

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[Vanman]

This is at the 'crux' of the streaming debate. Regardless of whether it's ethical to watch something that is being streamed illegally, it is highly illegal to record it. At that point you have severely crossed the line.

 

[hilldweller]

No need it's all there all the time

Not if you've no broadband.

 

[chaser]

Who hasn't got broadband nowadays, we live in the middle of nowhere , just got 70 mbs installed, but kodi worked ok on 8

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[Lenny HB]

Who hasn't got broadband nowadays, we live in the middle of nowhere , just got 70 mbs installed, but kodi worked ok on 8

Perhaps the OP wants to record stuff so he can watch it when away in the van.

 

[chaser]

Perhaps the OP wants to record stuff so he can watch it when away in the van.

Provided you have decent wifi it works anywhere

 

[Lenny HB]

Provided you have decent wifi it works anywhere

Very seldom get decent wifi when touring, I don't use sites very often but when I do one of my pet hate is inconsiderate ba**ed who stream hogging all the bandwidth.

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[chaser]

Very seldom get decent wifi when touring, I don't use sites very often but when I do one of my pet hate is inconsiderate ba**ed who stream hogging all the bandwidth.

Not me mate, only a suggestion, only tried it to see if it does work , actually we haven't even got a tv in our van now, just don't see the need.

 

[Vanman]

I think what the OP was referring to was the sites that stream live sports and/or entertainment pretty well 24/7 and you have to catch it when it's shown on pay tv. eg Footy and Sky1.

 

[Satandpcguy]

Most android boxes have either a HDMI output, or an AV output, allowing you to connect them to external devices. The AV output usually allows you to connect via the red white yellow component cables...but obviously it will only record what is being output on the box...
But then you should only need to do this if you are in an area of no or slow internet speeds...as most content is available on demand...apart from live sports..
As mentioned watching illegal streams is not illegal...as they are a temporary copy and not stored. Once you save them, that is when it is illegal.

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[Minxy]

One thing to remember is that you do need a lot of internet allowance to use it at home otherwise you'll use it all up very quickly and won't even be able to get on line for 'fun'!!!!!

 

[Deleted member 29692]

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...r-news/crackdown-on-illegal-kodi-use-12496153

 

[Langtoftlad]

If you're happy to use Kodi - then why not simply use bittorrent to download your favourite programmes to your USB or hard drive.
Better quality than streaming [usually].

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[chaser]

One thing though, although I wouldn't record anything off kodi as never felt he need, how is anyone going to know you have recorded off kodi or anything else?

 

[Lenny HB]

Hi
Has anyone successfully connected an android TV box with kodi to a PVR recorder? is it possible? Paying a fortune for Sky, but we do like to record and watch later. Anyone done it? Thanks!

This might be of use:-

 

[Langtoftlad]

One thing though, although I wouldn't record anything off kodi as never felt he need, how is anyone going to know you have recorded off kodi or anything else?

By monitoring your IP address [unless you encrypt it via VPN]

It's a bit like sending a parcel through the post in a transparent box.
If they cared to, the post office could see what was in the box, and obviously they know your address.
Using a VPN is like wrapping said parcel in many layers of brown paper - then you going to a mail box to pick it up.

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[pyro]

This is at the 'crux' of the streaming debate. Regardless of whether it's ethical to watch something that is being streamed illegally, it is highly illegal to record it. At that point you have severely crossed the line.

From an ethical standpoint, if something is broadcast for public reception (whatever medium is used) you have the general right to receive it in your private and domestic premises. But your ISP will know, and if you use a VPN, you still take a risk. In any case VPN IPs are now being logged by Maxmind, and are likely to be blacklisted in the near future

1) From a legal standpoint, it is the person or organisation who "makes available such contents to the public" who commits an offence under section 20 of the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988. It is a serious offence. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/20 This does not concern anyone who just receives such a service, as long as it is for private and personal use.

However, those who offer such a service (satellite, internet or whatever) are breaking the law.

2) From a legal standpoint it is perfectly legal to record any broadcast, provided that the recording is made in domestic premises for private and personal use in accordance with section 70 of the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988 (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/70) Note the word "premises", generally defined as meaning "land or buildings". Does this cover a motorhome? Debateable.

3) It is a serious criminal offence to own, make or sell any device for commercial purposes that is designed to circumvent copyright protection measures. Section 296ZB of the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988, http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/296ZB I would reason that Kodi may not be designed for this purpose, but it is mostly used for this purpose, and they are being threatened with litigation if they do not start filtering out illegal streaming or controlling the add ons. ISPs are also under pressure to block infringing streams

These are the copyright issues, there are other minor issues under the Broadcasting Act 1990, the Communications Act 2003 and a whole stack of other legislation.

So, yes you can legally receive and record, Kodi is tolerated but under pressure, the add ons that allow access to pirated content are under serious pressure. This means that those who sell fully loaded kodi boxes with all the add ons are breaking the law, and the cases are just reaching the courts, and those streaming are going to prison but NOT the users.

Boring stuff, I know, and I am not judging anyone (I may even use certain services myself) but it pays to know the facts, copyright law earns me a good living and at the risk of being immodest, I'm considered rather good at it by my clients

 

[pyro]

Most android boxes have either a HDMI output, or an AV output, allowing you to connect them to external devices. The AV output usually allows you to connect via the red white yellow component cables...but obviously it will only record what is being output on the box...
But then you should only need to do this if you are in an area of no or slow internet speeds...as most content is available on demand...apart from live sports..

As mentioned watching illegal streams is not illegal...as they are a temporary copy and not stored. Once you save them, that is when it is illegal.

Just on a legal point and bearing in mind the definition of a transient copy as defined in section 28A of The Copyright Designs and Parents Act 1988, your interpretation is simply wrong on two counts
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/28A

A temporary or transient copy is only legal if used within a legal service and has no independent economic value, and the making of a copy in private and domestic premises is perfectly legal (as stated above). And that law applies across Europe.

What is illegal is flogging equipment or services to allow reception of such services.

28A Making of temporary copies

Copyright in a literary work, other than a computer program or a database, or in a dramatic, musical or artistic work, the typographical arrangement of a published edition, a sound recording or a film, is not infringed by the making of a temporary copy which is transient or incidental, which is an integral and essential part of a technological process and the sole purpose of which is to enable—

(a) a transmission of the work in a network between third parties by an intermediary; or
(b) a lawful use of the work;

and which has no independent economic significance.

If you are offering for sale a device or service which circumvents copyright restrictions, you are committing a criminal offence in almost any country in the world governed by WIPO In Spain you may care to look up the famous case of Rafael Hotels http://curia.europa.eu/juris/liste.jsf?num=C-306/05 Cost them several million euros to lose that case

The UK version of the legislation is here http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/296ZB

296ZBDevices and services designed to circumvent technological measures

(1)A person commits an offence if he—

(a)manufactures for sale or hire, or
(b)imports otherwise than for his private and domestic use, or
(c)in the course of a business—
(i)sells or lets for hire, or
(ii)offers or exposes for sale or hire, or
(iii)advertises for sale or hire, or
(iv)possesses, or
(v)distributes, or
(d)distributes otherwise than in the course of a business to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the copyright owner,

any device, product or component which is primarily designed, produced, or adapted for the purpose of enabling or facilitating the circumvention of effective technological measures.

I can give you the contact details of a couple of good Spanish lawyers who specialise in copyright law if you want

 

[berni109]

So if I pay my licence fee (which I do) and use a VPN in the UK how can it be illegal t watch broadcast TV via Kodi?
I accept that watching box sets and films is another kettle of fish.

To answer the original question there is a pvr for kodi probably several. U just need a micro memory card for storage.

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[chaser]

So if I pay my licence fee (which I do) and use a VPN in the UK how can it be illegal t watch broadcast TV via Kodi?
I accept that watching box sets and films is another kettle of fish.

To answer the original question there is a pvr for kodi probably several. U just need a micro memory card for storage.

I think, @pyro s last two posts means it isn't illegal vpn or not puts paid to a lot of doomongering that goes on , on here.

 

[Langtoftlad]

@pyro
Does that mean there's a fundamental difference between watching or time shifting 'streamed' pirated programming - which I read you're saying is not illegal
but
Downloading the same programming via a peer to peer (p2p) application such as utorrent is illegal?

 

[pyro]

So if I pay my licence fee (which I do) and use a VPN in the UK how can it be illegal t watch broadcast TV via Kodi?
I accept that watching box sets and films is another kettle of fish.

To answer the original question there is a pvr for kodi probably several. U just need a micro memory card for storage.

Good for you. I pay mine as well.

I never once suggested that the use of a VPN to watch streamed content was illegal, unless it is for the sole purpose of circumventing encryption (e.g. watching Sky Sports).

However, broadcasters on unencrypted (or free to air) content are only under an obligation with respect to broadcast services, and any streamed content is entirely discretionary. If they choose to block VPN users, whether or not licensed or wherever they may be situated, that is their prerogative

Their reasons for blocking VPNs supposedly have their origins in the rights agreements they hold with the producers of contents, from whom they license the rights to broadcast

My purpose in posting was to clear up all the misunderstanding about the complicated legal issues, and dispel the many myths that are perpetuated by people who profit from offering illegal satellite hook ups, selling fully loaded kodi boxes and so forth. They are the ones breaking the law, big time

As for recording, the legality of the issue has already been addressed.

@pyro
Does that mean there's a fundamental difference between watching or time shifting 'streamed' pirated programming - which I read you're saying is not illegal
but
Downloading the same programming via a peer to peer (p2p) application such as utorrent is illegal?

Streaming any pirated content is illegal, time shifted or not. But the illegal act is committed only by the person doing the actual streaming ("facilitating" the process or "making available to the public"), NOT by the user - provided any recording is in his own domestic premises and strictly for private and personal use.

P2P of copyrighted material is NEVER legal, as the process involves sharing (meaning you form part of a distribution chain to others in the process). In my view, the only safe way to use P2P is via a VPN and then "leech" only. It is still illegal, but the prospect of getting caught are negligible.

Better still, subscribe to a newsgroup and download only, never seed. It goes without saying that your virus checker should be capable and up to date, though

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[jezport]

If you install Kodi on a mini PC, then plug in a USB TV dongle you have exactly what you asked for.
Ive bought a 2 in 1 Laptop/Tablet, A Lenovo Yoga 710 14" Ive installed Kodi and bought a TVman wifi device as below. I havent installed a tv in this van as mt Lenovo can be used anywhere around/near the van to watch Freesat if no data is available or I can watch sky tv on sky go when data is available.

TVman Pocket Mobile TV Hotspot
• Enjoy unlimited live TV on your smart devices
• Save money: no internet connection required
• Creates its own WiFi network with 20 m coverage indoor and 40 m outdoor
• More than 4 hours of entertainment on the go
• Doubles up as a power bank
• Place TVman where the reception is optimum but watch anywhere wirelessly
• Use the Electronic Program Guide to plan your entertainment
• Schedule, Record and share your favourite show
• Insert a Micro SD card to enable recording
• Connect TVman to an external antenna when TV signal is weak
• Automatic and wireless update of TVman Firmware through the player

TVman Pocket is a personal tuner streaming Free to Air Digital TV to your smartphone, tablet and computer everywhere. It turns your smart devices in TV, offering mobility, freedom and comfort unmatched by conventional TV. Whether you are at home or on the go, you can enjoy Live TV anytime completely untethered from the internet. User can schedule a recording by using the EPG. TVman will automatically record on its embedded Micro SD card. TVman Pocket can be connected to an external antenna to improve the reception indoor or can be used as a power bank to charge your mobile phone outdoor.

 

[Stonemags76]

Thanks for all the information. it sounds like i would have no need to record anything, as everything would be available all the time?

 

[Deleted member 29692]

One thing though, although I wouldn't record anything off kodi as never felt he need, how is anyone going to know you have recorded off kodi or anything else?

Your internet service provider can tell.

A movie is probably about 4 -12GB depending on the quality.

A download of that size isn't likely to be anything else and they'll be able to see from the IP address of the server it's coming from whether or not it's a legitimate source.

That will be the one part of the crackdown when it happens: ISPs will start monitoring, when they find suspicious activity they will send you a letter to start with telling you to stop. If you don't they will be able to cut your connection off. A shared database somewhere of people who have been cut off would make it pretty hard for you to find another ISP.

The other part will be when they go after the delivery systems. Traders selling the modified boxes and fire sticks will be targeted. If you read my link in post #14 you will see that that's already starting.

The other phase of that will be to take action against the developers of Kodi itself on the grounds that they are promoting and facilitating piracy. That's exactly what happened with Napster in 2001. They lost the case, it cost them $26million to settle it and ultimately had to become a subscription based service. All the other similar music sharing services swiftly went the same way.

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[jezport]

Your internet service provider can tell.

A movie is probably about 4 -12GB depending on the quality.
.

All well and good that they can, but do they want to lose your subscription? Its all about the dosh. Unless legislation forces their hand I don't think they will do very much unless you are using massive amounts of data every day. And lets not forget that a lot of us use massive amounts of data downloading and streaming movies and music legally.

 

[jezport]

BTW movies are generally between 400MB and 1.4GB

 

[Deleted member 29692]

All well and good that they can, but do they want to lose your subscription? Its all about the dosh. Unless legislation forces their hand I don't think they will do very much unless you are using massive amounts of data every day. And lets not forget that a lot of us use massive amounts of data downloading and streaming movies and music legally.

It will happen in a similar way to Napster. When the rights holders finally decide they've had enough they'll get together and there will be one action. Obviously the primary action will be against the facilitator of the illegal activity, in this case the developers of Kodi but ISPs will also be included as they are assisting in the illegal activity.

When given the option of losing an insignificant number of subscriptions or ending up in a long expensive court case that they would probably ultimately lose what do you think they will do? All they would really have to do is fudge and stall for time until the Kodi developers lose and are forced to either withdraw or change their product and the ISPs probably won't have to actually do much more than send a few letters to show willing. Again that's what happened in the Napster case.

If you're downloading or streaming from a legitimate source, Netflix or Spotify for example, that will be obvious from the IP address of the server the data is coming from and you have nothing to worry about.

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