Alde heating

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  1. DavidG58

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    We have the Alde system for hot water and heating, I pretty much understand it but am not sure about this.................

    To avoid / reduce issues with freezing, I have set my heating to 8C on the 1Kw electric option, this means the wet heating system will operate if the temperature drops below 8C

    I think though that this means I will also be permanently heating my hot water, there appears to be no option to turn this off independently

    There is a tap icon on the controller but this is a hot water boost only

    Am I right or is there a way to do heating without wasting electrics on water as well?

    It might be that the extra cost of the water heating is too small to worry about, once it is warm it might not take much to keep it warm

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    We also have the Alde system and you can't have heating without hot water.

    The system is filled with anti-freeze similar to the engine so should not have a problem with freezing anyway.
     
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    Not sure what type of control panel you have...

    But we have a digital readout separate control panel for all heating and water...

    We only ever put the heating on,,,, but because, I assume there is a double tank, (Central heating and water heater combined, ie a tank within a tank.),, one for the heating and one for the water... the water does get hot.... but not as hot as if the water was turned on...

    Cant help much other than that.. sorry..:Sad:
     
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    I wasn't really trying to protect the engine, but as we hope to use our MH through winter was trying to avoid the need to drain everything, this way we can be ready to go when we want, it is dark enough when we get home on Fridays without extra hassle of filling water. I can also leave everything in ready to go, I see quite a few take everything out including cushions, I really cant be bothered with that and don't have room to put it all in my house either!!

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    So do you think you can turn hot water on without heating? The only way we can do this is to turn down the room heating thermostat so low it will not bring on heating. Ours is 08/09 it has a tap symbol which the books say is just a hot water boost which we have not used as yet, not needed it
     
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    Just re-read your reply, ignore my bit about the engine!! Sorry
     
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    Yes.... we can turn the Hot water on without the heating... just means the Alde central heating pump does not start up.. and circulate the water in the radiators.. :thumb:

     
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    Thanks, I guess we are doing similar things, or the controllers have been changed between our build dates. We have the option to turn the whole system on or off, then gas control on / off, but we only get hot water on its own by setting the room stat lower than we need to keep heating off. How would you set water only?
     
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    Every thing on our`s can be turned on independently.. IE

    Hot water with a sliding guage for the heat required,,, central heating is the same... a button to select gas or electric...

    The electric for water and central heating is three sections = 1Kw.. 2Kw or 3 Kw...

    Only trouble with ours is the whole system has been wired through the inverter.. :Angry:

    Which means if we put the Heating or water on 2Kw... the inverter is working it`s socks off..

    Going to get Eddie at Vanbitz to sort it before we go abroad... :thumb:
     
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    Thanks for that, yours sounds better except the inverter bit, ours is a digital controller no slides, all or nothing though. Hopefully yours is the newer as it seems better, but that would defy normal progress!!

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    I`ll take a photo tomorrow, and stick it up... :thumb:
     
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    hot water without heat can only be had in a couple of ways with the digital panel with the 5 buttons.

    you can set room temp lower than it actually is so the heating system doesn't run.
    or you can turn the circulation pump off.

    if i remember correctly the the gas burner is in the centre of the boiler , surrounding the gas burner is a water jacket for the heating system which has the electric elements in and on the outside is the water jacket for the hot water which can be drained off for wintering but the heating can still be used.

    the tap icon on the panel stops the circulation pump and raises the water temp to 80 degrees and gives this for 30 minutes to enable more hot water sooner after a shower.
    this is good if you want a longer shower as the water is so hot you run the shower at 80% cold 20% hot to start with and increase the hot as it cools.

    loads of info here http://www.alde.co.uk/itemdetails.php?itemId=1
     
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    Thanks Andy

    That is more or less as mine and as we do, I am yet to master turning off the circulation, this seems to be on all the time, or might just come on when stat turns heating on, can't remember now, but sure I have no option to turn it off. That would be useful overnight as it is quiet but loud enough to wake me up

    Just need to weigh up extra cost of heating water when temp drops, against burst pipes!!

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    you can drain the domestic water system off and leave the heating on.


    it is worth reading the control panel manual as you can set the heating to come on and off on a timer so its not on all the time.
    you can also set a different temperature for night time so it cools down whilst you are in bed and fires up again before you get up i use this function to stop us overheating in bed it i have it set to 14 degrees from 10 pm and goes back to 19.5 degrees from 7 am.

    the only thing i have found problem with is it is it can be fairly greedy if using it on gas alone.
    other than that its a great system.
     
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    Here you go David...

    Self explanitary really... don't know if it`s the same control panel as yours..

    The little knob is for extra blown air if your feet get cold... there is a blower behind one of the low radiators by the boiler.. :thumb:





     

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    I do like this forum and the effort you lot are prepared to go to to help the rest.

    Mine is completely different, I will return photo later when home.

    I am not overly surprised everything on mine seems to be different, I think it was a prototype for all new features in 2008, all of which got abandoned!!

    Thanks David
     
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    There is a certain amount of sadness with grown men trading photos of MH heating control boxes!!

    Just how different could they be (very), is your MH newer than 08 or older, my thought was your new MH is newer than mine, I hope it is, your more mechanical biased controller looks so much more practical than mine it would be nice to see a return to more logical control

    I like the idea put in by aba about different time / temp controls sounds good, I need more time reading rules I guess, can you do that with yours?

    Thanks for your support, technically I am not much further forward but it is good to share :BigGrin: :thumb:

    David
     

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    We had Alde heating on our Defleffs, you could run the heating without the water. There was three symbols on our control and I think it was the top one, but your book should tell you which one. Just part ex 'ed camper so don't have book any more
    Pete
     
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    Our`s is a 2012...

    It`s about the only control I have mastered...:Doh:

    Not been much help to you, really... but hope you get sorted... :thumb:

    I like simple... :RollEyes::Smile:
     
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    if its any help the later digital panel can be purchased from alde. to replace your panel. its plug and play 10 mins to fit and much easier to use. well worthwile:thumb:
     
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