Advice on scooter

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  1. peterc10

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    We are thinking of buying a scooter for the two of us to use when motorhoming. It will be kept in the motorhome garage so needs to be no more than 1120mm high to get it in. Not going on long journeys on it - just sightseeing and shops and doubt that it will ever be used in the rain or dark. Probably 100cc to 125cc engine with auto gearbox and electric start. I have a full bike licence but have not ridden for over 40 years.

    Has anybody got any advice on whether it is sensible and anything I should look out for please, especially given my lack of riding experience.

    Looking at Suzuki Address or Honda Vision or Sym Symply. Has anybody got any experience of these or suggestions for others to look at? The Sym looks much cheaper, but is it any good? I was hoping to buy a secondhand one, although there don't seem to many about - anything I should look for?

    I guess I will be loading it into the motorhome with one of those ali folding ramps that can be bought on Ebay. Is it difficult to push the bike up into the garage? I was thinking of having wheel holders front and back and a couple of straps over handlebars and saddle to hold it down, unless there are any other ways? Is that sufficient to hold it do you think?

    Has anybody got one they no longer need?

    Any and all advice would be welcome.
     
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    Hi, we use a 125cc sym symphony. The rating of back axle is main issue for us, the extra load of scooter took us to the limit and necessitated an axle upgrade. As the bike is behind the axle it will add more than its own weight to rear axle and take same off front axle. The height of the door may be less than the bike, as you push up the ramp front wheel drops into garage first, ( we have a small lip), allowing bike into garage which will need to be full bike height. We take mirrors off before loading. Our ramp is 2 metres long and bike pushes up fine. Some have an issue with smell of petrol in bed that is usually over the garage, for others its not an issue. Tie down, we have straps on handle bars going forward and down, on rear we have straps from grab handles going back and down. Its firmly held.
    We wouldnt be without ours now.
    Good luck, Martin n Sandra
     
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    Thanks, that is exactly the sort of info I need. We have no problem with the axle loading I think. The new Hymer we are getting can load up to 450kg in the garage.

    Were you experienced bikers or coming at it after a long layoff like me?

    How do you like the Symphony? It is certainly cheaper than the other two, but not many second hand.
     
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    I'd suggest you go and have a shuftie at an actual bike shop first - you might find that you don't like them, some people don't! Also, as you've been out of the bike/scooter scene for so long it might be an idea to see if your local CBT people can help you before you take the plunge - they may have a scooter/bike you can try to see if you are still confident on them, especially since you're wanting to have a pillion passenger on which will change the handling characteristics.

    Also check what weight limit your garage has as well as what capacity you have left on your rear axle as you may get a shock!

    Also, check out the cost of insurance ... it isn't cheap nowadays!

    There are lots of bikes/scooters out there, we've had Yamaha Vitys and Sym VS125s and whilst the Yamaha was good to manoeuvre as it was relatively light especially for needing to push it in/out of the garage etc, as it had smaller wheels/frame it was more 'bobbly' and not so easy to ride; the Sym was an absolute dream to ride due to the bigger/wider wheels and being a heavier bike was more stable, but would probably be too big for your needs and wouldn't be the easiest to push into a garage. For us the Sym was better quality and they do have a good reputation too.

    Some people have gone for the Honda Innova 125 which is a modern 'grandad bike' style (remember the old Honda 50/70/90s? They have larger wheels and a comfy riding position, when needing to push them (ie to put in a MH garage) they are easy to manoeuvre as they weigh just unded 100kg! They are still quite stylish but without lots of the superfluous cosmetics to damage/scrape/get in the way/take up space.

    May be worth considering.

    http://www.autoevolution.com/moto/honda-anf-125-innova-2004.html#aeng_honda-anf-125-innova-2006-125

    https://www.gumtree.com/motorbikes-scooters/uk/honda+innova+125
     
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    I like the symphony fine for what it is, but after a Honda Pan 1100cc its a bit slow, and you do notice the potholes. Returned to bikes about 10 years ago, at which time I had some training with IAM ( Institute for advanced motorists) ,my wife says it made a difference! Our Hymer has 350kg load for the garage, but with 120kg of bike, inc helmets top box and straps, plus a few other bits we were right on the rear axle limit, but well under the 350kg load for the garage! There is a calculator somewhere for working out what your rear axle load will be for a given bike weight a given distance behind the axle, perhaps a google search or a fellow funster can provide it.
     
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    Just one further comment ... if you DO decide you want a bike/scooter then now is a very good time to buy due to it being 'out of season' ... once the better weather arrived around spring the prices will rise.
     
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    Thanks Mel. I hadn't thought of the Innova but I will have a look at that too. But can't seem to find it in the Honda site any more. Maybe it is no longer sold here. But looking at the ads I think it iis geared and I really want a twist and go auto. Will have enough to worry about without having to change gear.

    I wonder if motor bike dealers allow test rides and can loan me a helmet? As I said in previous post my garage is rated at 450kg so lots to spare.
     
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    what spare payload do you have when fully loaded ? just because you can load a garage to 450 kg it doesn't mean you can

    joe
     
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    The Innova has gears but an automatic clutch. As you push the gear lever with your foot the clutch is automatically disengaged making it almost as easy as a twist and go.

    We have used the Innova all over Europe for about ten years. A cracking little bike.
     
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    Joe. I am aware of that. The payload, after all the additional equipment fitted has been added in is something over 800kg.
     
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    If your looking at the Innova you may as look at Honda 90 Cubs too
    Pretty much the same engine ( ok, so 30cc smaller but that is no biggy ) and the way it all works just a lot cheaper and a LOT lighter ! ( well over 20 kilos )

    Apart from that, as Minxy suggested, I would seriously book a CBT or at the very least an hours assessment and refresher

    Its a dangerous world out there on bikes.. but with a bit of a brush up you will be fine :)
     
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    I may be wrong, (I often am), but I believe that the Honda 90 Cub only had three gears compared to the Innovas four. It makes a big difference.
     
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    If you are interested in the Honda Innova (seems to be a good choice) watch this video... its an hour and a half long!........... but really entertaining and made me want one

     
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    Wellll.. it does if you are racing LOL !!!
     
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    @Jaws :LOL:
    My racing days are over but the fourth gear makes a difference when two up.
     
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    Nahhhhh... maybe the third gear does in a 4 speed.. But our old 90 still did 30 in 2nd up hill :)
    Just fit a rear sprocket with a extra tooth or two !
     
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    OK, and thanks for all the answers. After all your advice I have learnt a lot.

    I will be arranging to go on a Back to Biking course before I make any decisions. Left a message on their answerphone and waiting a call back. And when I pick up the new motorhome I will go the nearest weighbridge and check my axle weights, to see what I have got to play with at the back. And I will consider the Honda Innova and its later form the Wave, but still worried about gear changing with my feet - I was a Mod and used to twist grip gear change.

    But I still need some more advice.

    I will be using straps front and rear to hold it down in the garage, but should I also use wheel holders at each end as well? Or should I just put it on its stand?

    What is better for balancing (which may be my biggest problem) - smaller (scooter) or larger (Innova) wheels?

    Finally I looked at the Paiggio MP3 with two wheels at the front. Looks good in case I am a bit dodgy with my balance. But, assuming I can take the weight, are there any pitfalls? And are there any other alternative makes?
     
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    If you can clamp/tie the wheels down then yo will only have to secure the rest of the bike to stop it falling over. Other than that it's best to load the suspension up with straps and clamp the front brake with something.
     
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    If you are a bit unsteady in the balance department even that wont help.
    They still pivot and lean into corners in the same way a two wheeler does.
     
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