A frames

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  1. Road Burner

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    I want to have a A frame fitted to my Toyota Yaris. Looked at a number of options including car a tow and tow bars 2 tow cars. One video = tow bars 2 tow cars showed a van reversing with the car on the back which I thought was impressive. Any one got any preferences or recomendations they could give me. I am leaning toward one which allows the towed vehicle to use it's own brakes.
     
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    OH NO! ANOTHER A-FRAME THREAD!!:Eeek:
     
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  3. Larrynwin

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    I would wait a while as the laws relating to a frames are changing this year
     
  4. Jim

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    Always been a pushbike man myself and never used an A-Frame. We've got quite a few A Framer Funsters, using all the different types, yank imports and UK made I'm sure you'll have some opinions on the best options soon enough.

    Lots of threads about A Frames being targeted by Spanish Police, but you can A Frame with impunity here in the UK
     
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    Point me somewhere to read more Larry, cheers :thumb:
     
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    Am on I phone and Spanish site wifi so difficult to search but posters on threads in recent months have indicated that an EU / GB change to construction and use will happen this year
    It is unclear whether there will be a retrospective change

    I stand to be corrected on this one as the grey matter is reducing recall :RollEyes:
     
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  7. dave newell lvs

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    My limited understanding of the forthcoming reg changes is that they will occur next year and that overrun brakes will only be allowable on trailers with axles mounted centrally or thereabouts, not one at each end as in a car. Also that on any trailer fitted with ABS brakes they must be fully functional, i.e. ABS must work. This will be difficult to achieve without the engine running on the toad and as all new cars have ABS as standard I see an end looming for "legal" A frames (and I use the term "legal" very loosely):BigGrin:.

    D.
     
  8. Snitrats

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    Two-bars2tow-cars are fitting my Panda this Friday,!!
    Although I was aware of the changes due, I hadn't come across the ABS being required to work. Should be an interesting conversation this Friday bearing in mind they guarantee the systems legality now & after 2014 ??
    I'll keep you posted. :Sad:
     
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    something I wouldn't be happy with.... the Tow Bars 2 Tow Cars system.

    tow points are oddly enough not designed or intended for towing.. they are fitted for tying down the car while in-transit and for recovery using a straight pull with a towing bar .. not an angled pull as an A frame exerts.. .. this puts side stress on the tow point that it wasn't designed to take..

    no doubt someone will rebut this .. but that's my opinion..
     
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  10. Peter & Elaine

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    I had a long chat with a towbar fitter this year they fitted me a tow bar and air ride suspension he showed me a bar assembley and a fiat with a modification to front to take bar where they removed bumper and fitted a reinforced crossmember then refitted bumper it all looked good Exept in middle of bumper is a tube with cable sticking out this applies brakes when motorhome brakes
    I must admit it looks a very good system check link make you own judgment

    http://www.armitagetrailers.com/Aframes.htm
     
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    We have the Tow Bars 2 Tow Cars system and have used it for over 12000 miles in last 4 years. A good easy to use system and been pleased with it.
    Really do not want to go down the trailer route again, so for Spain we will split up and drive the car. Not really ideal but there you go.

    There are pro's and con's about evrything but the A-frame is the best for us.
     
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    A centrally mounted axle, will mean a trailer.

    If ABS is a requirement, , then its the end for A Frames, I wondered how they would get around it, they are adapting. or using, a bit of HGV legislation!

    Please please please, when looking for advice on this, DONT LISTEN TO DEALERS, they will already be adapting their speil to convince you you are legal, when a higher authority may decide otherwise.
     
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    Think I will wait to be pulled over, fined, unhooked and Nikki forced to drive home before I change my opinion. Or when fun, facts and OAAL produce for us a list of people fined and prosecuted.

    According to half the sites, I'm illegal and always have been.

    Certainly wont bother with a trailer, will just use the push bike more and move around,


    A Frame threads,,, pure class :RollEyes:
     
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    Just a quick update,Had our Panda converted on Friday at Tow-bars 2 Tow-cars.Excellent
    job carried out in just a day to the car and the van.
    Van is fitted with 13 pin euro socket as it powers the the cars braking system. The fitting to the car is barely noticeable only a socket in the low level grill gives it away as a toad. Tow brackets are new and does not use the cars original tow point. The ABS is also activated on braking. Comes with European certificate of conformity (CE) . Again friendly & excellent service:thumb:
     
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    If its CE compliant surely it's legal all over Europe
     
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    Yes it's legal all over Europe except Spain which did not sign up to the CE agreement, hence why it's outlawed in Spain.
     
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    Hi, roadburner We have a car a tow system fitted to our seicento its very easy to fit it costs about 950 quid all in ,its mounted on two specially made mounting points very well made solid :thumb: when not in use it fits in car boot ,overall very happy with it ,have seen other systems but not as well made imho :thumb:
     
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    I have been working with CE rules for years and did not know that one
    You learns something new every day
     
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    I find that strange as everything I have found concerning the CE Agreement includes Spain but I could be wrong:Doh:

    Found this-
    Where is CE marking required?

    CE-marking compliance is a legal requirement in the European Union member states and the European Economic Area countries. The countries are:
    • Austria
    • Belgium
    • Bulgaria
    • Cyprus
    • Czech Republic
    • Denmark
    • Estonia
    • Finland
    • France
    • Germany
    • Greece
    • Hungary
    • Iceland
    • Ireland
    • Italy
    • Latvia
    • Lichtenstein
    • Lithuania
    • Luxemburg
    • Malta
    • Norway
    • Poland
    • Portugal
    • Romania
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    • Slovenia
    •[HI] Spain [/HI]
    • Sweden
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