A-Frames and insurance

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  1. Bryan

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    Hi,

    I've never seen a thread on this sub topic of a-frames so I thought I'd ask you knowledgable lot a few questions :BigGrin:

    Car insurance companies normally ask if your car has been modified in any way.

    If you have modified your car by adding the brackets etc. for a-framing, do you inform the insurance company?
    Do they understand that you don't mean a 'TOWBAR' on your car?
    How do they react and does it make a diference to your premiums?
    Do they put the 'modification' on your paperwork?

    When I insured our car (not a-framed) I told them it had a towbar and they just said 'oh, that's fine, that doesn't count'. I took them at their word as a towbar is so common I expect that it is not an exception, but I wonder if they understand what an a-frame system is.

    Also, what cover do you have whilst towing on an a-frame?
    I seem to remember reading that some motorhome insurance policies cover the toad as a trailer for third party only. If that is the case, what cover does you car insurance provide (if any) whilst it is being towed?


    Bryan
     
  2. Diabalo

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    Good question Bryan, as I have been looking into setting up our Aygo with an A-Frame. Also not sure what the legalities are (the other thread) so hanging back at the mo. I would want fully comp on the towed vehicle for sure and not compromise the cover on the motorhome.
     
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    When I contacted Saga they in turn spoke with their under writer. They where well aware what a A Frame was and quite happy to insure, however the toad would only be covered third party.

    Roy
     
  4. Tony Santara

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    Safe gaurd were aware what an A frame was but advised me that the "Toad" would only be covered with third party risk
     
  5. Braunston

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    Hi,

    Great subject I would be interested in the results,

    From what i can understand the towing vehicle (Motorhome/RV Etc) insurance can be extended in most cases to cover the towing of a trailer and I believe most insurances provide 3rd party cover for this action,

    However where i think the situation needs very careful clarification is in the assumption that the cover detailed above would be provided for a Toad, as I would have thought that unless the risk was very well documented the underwriters would be expecting that the trailer complies with the relevant trailer regulations

    Therefore, I would suggest that there are 3 levels of insurance that need to be clarified as i feel you also need cover for the trailer/toad when it is being used in either of its states i.e.

    Insurance 1 - Presumably an extension to your existing MH/RV insurance to cover towing a trailer

    Insurance 2 - Fully Comp insurance for your Toad when it is being used as a Car this also need to take into account the modifications as Bryan stated above i.e. the bar or eyelets etc. sticking out the front

    Insurance 3 - Presumably an extension of the Fully Comp insurance in 2 above that provides Fully Comp when the Car is been used as a trailer.

    I have heard that Comfort and apparently NFU with provide the cover as 2 and 3 but i personally would like to hear from someone who has obtained this cover in writing clearly stating what is covered as it does seem very complicated.
     
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  6. Bryan

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    That's as I thought for the motorhome insurance. If the trailer (car in this scenario) causes damage they'll pay out for the third party damage, but the damage (or total loss) to the trailer (car) is down to you.

    But what about your car insurance? What (if any) cover does that provide for your car whilst being towed?
     
  7. superk

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    We don't tow any more but on their website Comfort Motorcaravan & Motorhome Camper Van Insurance UK state 'Do you tow your car behind your motorhome? Our private car policy is specially designed for you.'
    Whether that applies to trailers or A-Frames isn't stated.

    :Smile:
    Keith
     
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    i clarified this with my insurance broker (re car, not motorhome, insurance). he confirmed that the car is still covered fully comp by its own insurance when towed. can't say this applies to all insurances. i intend to have both car and rv insured by same in future to avoid any uncertainties, as the car was hit by a dutch lorry when on tow last year. i claimed on the car insurance, and was paid out, but had to pay the excess.

    des
     
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    Hi, Des

    Who are you insured with

    Thanks
    Braunston

     
  10. pappajohn

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    i was always under the impression a vehicle couldnt be insured under two seperate policies

    if it were then niether insurance company would have a sole interest in the vehicle.
     
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    Hi Bryan

    Just to add a further complication - George Evans from Brue Yachts discovered a couple of years ago that his car whilst ON A TRAILER was not covered at all :Angry:

    The RV was covered - the trailer was covered - but the car ON the trailer was not covered if hit by a third party!

    He was insured with SAGA at that time.
     
  12. Geo

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    The car ON the trailor syndrome has always applied to all insurance ie not covered at all
    What is needed is called goods in transit cover we have it as part of our recovery and Motor trade Insurance:Sad:
    cant say if it can be bought as part of ordinary car and or RV policies:Doh:
     
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    Hi, just to put my 2pennorth in, We are insured for both the motorhome and the Smart with the NFU, Iqueried the cover on the Smart whilst being towed and they told me it was still covered. I have both vehicles fully comp. Cost about £550 for BOTH.
    Regards, Dave:thumb:
     
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    Hi,

    I would be very interested if you have written confirmation from them as we insure our Panda through the NFU and are seriously thinking of having an A frame fitted.

    However, when we took out the insurance I did mention the possibility of an "A" frame being fitted which would turn the Panda into a trailer and allow me to pull it along behind my motorhome, but the person i spoke to couldn't understand what i was talking about, which was probably my fault for not explaining properly.

    Therefore, I really would be interested if you have found someone who fully understands the situation from NFU and has confirmed it in writing as it would be a great help if I do have one fitted..

    Thanks

    Braunston

     
  15. peaps

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    Hi this is probably hijacking the thread but who is your contact for NFU when I tried locally I was told they did not cover RV's

    Cheers

    Pete
     
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    Hi Pete

    You MUST speak with the LOUTH Branch of the NFU - they advertise in the RV Magazine.

    Speak to Nick Pope, Sarah Topliss or Helen Ross

    Telephone number: 01507 600249

    NFU Mutual Office, Agricultural House, Fairfiled Industrial Estate, Louth, Lincolnshire, LN11 0WA.

    They cover everything from 5th wheels to demountables from caravans to RVs, I promise.

    They will not cover full-timers. :Wink:
     
  17. MicknPat

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    Slightly off topic also,:Blush: but still related,

    Just been browsing the Comfort Insurance link provided by superk in this thread and in the 'Our Producs' range for private car insurance I noticed this 'requirement'
    Any Comfort Full timer owners on MHF answer that one please, that is a direct requirement, no way can you 'little white lie' on that one as I see it.
     
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    a frames

    most insurance co, class a frames for recovery use only most of them don,t like the idea of a motor home as a recovery vehicle grey area in insurance policies past experience when i was in the motor trade geoff:thumb:
     
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    Hi Bryan,

    Upto last year in May I was towing using an A - FRAME. Towing vehicle has ranged from a Volkswagen LT40 then a Hymer 644G over a period of the last 10 years. Towed vehicle being a Yellow SMART Pulse. Over ALL this period I was insured for both vehicles through SAGA with there full knowledge. This was ok until May of last year when I changed up to a RV. SAGA wont insure USA imports so I to am now in the same situation.I do still tow as before but the insurance is vague, so I will be interested in other replies

    Brian
     
  20. Geo

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    I can confirm only the other week having just taken out insurance with the NFU (via Sarah at the Louth office)
    if both the RV and toad are insured fully comp through NFU both vehicles are fully covered connected by A frame or not
    If the Toad and Motorhome are insured fully comp, but with different companies, The toad should still be covered but not by all, and recommended individuals check individually, as all policies are sold on an individual basis it can not be assumed just because Mr A is covered, Mr B will also be, even if both are with the same company:Eeek:
    Cars on trailers also need checking by individuals, for cover, as it is possible no cover at all is in force when being carried on your trailer as has been said already
    Geo
     
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