A class motorhome cam belt change

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  1. iceclimber

    iceclimber Funster

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    Hi, I have owned my Burstner 660i Elegance (2003) for three years now and do most of the basic servicing (oil change, axel greasing etc.) myself. (I cannot do the fuel filter ...... as it can only be done 'blind' !!!)

    However, I am now overdue a cam belt / water pump change and so before using the MH this spring, I was looking for up to date info &/or recommendations on companies & typical costs etc. for getting this work done on A class motorhomes i.e. with the usual terrible engine access. (my understanding is that it's a job that needs to be done from below & one of the engine mountings needs to be taken off so the engine can be dropped slightly ?) I am specifically interested in the 'larger garages' who can do this work as I would like to know that if things subsequently went wrong they would have the resources to resolve any issues.

    Am looking for garages West Midlands / Gloucestershire / Worcestershire / Bristol / Oxfordshire areas .... ?

    thanks
     
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    Sorry cant help but good luck.
    Most garages wont attempt it for the very reason you state.....poor access.
    A dedicated motorhome garage/mobile motorhome service mechanic would be a better bet.
     
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  3. Geo

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    Yes John you are probably right
    But reading between the lines the Ice man wants Guarantees above and beyond the norm
    I am very interested as a Trader that does this kind of work
    What are the resources to resolve any issues that the chosen garage need? what exactly are your expectations?
    Flying a fitter out to France as an example?
     
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    It could be, that I am just very nervous at having the work done on such a 'difficult' vehicle ?

    The resources I was referring to; are simply a workmanship guarantee that can be relied upon.
    For example ..... if say, the cam belt adjusters were fitted incorrectly and after just 300 miles failed causing a major engine failure, then the ability for the garage to recognise / diagnose / accept the problem and to take responsibility for it and do what is necessary, even if it means a complete engine replacement.
    A small (even experienced) garage is unlikely to have the resources to fulfil such a guarantee, unless they have some form of professional insurance cover ? (is this normal ?)

    I presume the No.1 important factor, is having the work done by persons who regularly work on these type of vehicles, so the risk of error / failure is reduced. The No.2 factor, is having a workmanship guarantee that could be called upon if the 'worst' happened.

    So, if anyone has knowledge & experience of garages that should be able to provide both 1 & 2 above, then I would be most grateful.
     
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  5. PeteH

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    Which Engine Combination is it exactly? We Purchased a S-H Rapido (2.3 Ducato) from Fullers last year They had a Cam-belt change done, as a condition of sale?. It might be worth enquiring as to who your local dealership has do these job`s for them.?

    Pete
     
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    Not on your doorstep but you could always add Lancaster to your next trip. Mark has EHU etc for customers and, when I first posted this, a courtesy car free for the duration of the work. He has been around FIAT based MHs for many years and was foreman at TB Turbos who were well known to MHers in the day.

    Mark (ex TBTurbo foreman) at Unit 45, Lune Business Park, Lancaster, LA1 5FT (www.candmauto.co.uk to look, 01524843721 or email info@candmauto.co.uk)

    He changed the cam belt and adjusted the clutch and a few other jobs for me when I had the Hymer. Seemed very knowledgeable about all things FIAT - worth a 'phone call.
     
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    I had the belt on my Hymer A class on fiat chassis done here
    http://www.herbiesvehiclerepairs.co.uk/
    They did the job for a far price, another garage in Banbury priced the job high because they didn't want to do the job and said so ( he would rather do a couple of Golf's) but at least he was honest, but was far when doing the MOT.
     
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    I take my Merc-based Hymer to this independent garage in Banbury. They work on everything from motor homes up to 40 tonne arctics. I have been very happy with them over some 6 or 7 years; good but fair prices rather than cheap.
    http://peterhainesengineers.co.uk/
     
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    You can't expect cheap and a guarantee if there is a potentially very expensive problem a free fix!!!. If you are looking for cover in the event of a problem I would ask for a quote and be upfront even ask for a quote in writing.
     
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    I would use Geo (y)
     
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    Which engine is it? If its a 2.8 JTD you don't necessarily need to do the water pump as it isn't driven by the cambelt. Feel free to phone us for a price and yes professional liability insurance is pretty standard in most trades.

    D.
     
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    Hogan bros redditch 01527520665 got a large ramp
     
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    brilliant responses ....... many thanks, I can work with these.
     
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    Well again, many thanks for the leads. I phoned around and not much luck though ...... one response from one of the leads of 'we should manage to get it done for £500 +vat' .... no fixed quote though.

    So, I went to my local truck place (a fairly big set-up in Evesham) & chatted to them .... (they've done my gearbox oil & fuel filter in the past) ... & I do trust them.
    On the basis that the belt/tensioner kit is around £150; the water pump is around £90, a refill of antifreeze £15, then 4 hours labour of around £220. (i fully understand this taking 4 hours ... i'd be worried if anyone said they could do it 2 ! )
    Add the VAT and we're looking at around £570. It seems very expensive BUT a fair price to me ? How anyone gets this work done on an A Class motorhome for £300-£400 ... I don't understand ?
     
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    I love having a cam chain :cool:
     
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    You didn't phone us for a quote and I repeat (just for information) the water pump on the 2.8 is not driven by the cambelt so it is not as critical to replace it with the belt.

    D.
     
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    Dave, Thx for prompting me again ..
    I Have now booked with you for cam belt; pump & fuel filter and have saved some money & also am very happy at having cam belt job done by persons who do this regularly !
     
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    Hi Dave

    I need to organise a service and possible cam belt change on my Hymer. I shall contact you in the near future and arrange camping nearby.
     
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    Just having my cam belt, tensioner etc changed now with 3ways in Abergele.
    Cost is around the £450 mark but they have advised that the air con belt needs changing so here we go!
    The van is a 5 year old Autotrail Savannah with a 2.3 Ducato engine.
    It just shows you that these things need to be done according to the manufacturers recommend times irrespective of mileage.
    our van is only 5 years old with 7000 miles on the clock!
    Don't want a major engine rebuild for the sake of saving 450 pounds.
    Should have bought one with the 3.0L engine (no cam belt, it is a chain drive).
     
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    Aircon belt isn't a threat to the engine, it would just stop running the compressor. Mine is 8 yrs old and 48k and it is fine.
    I imagine it needs to come off anyway though so ought to be just the price of a new belt
     
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