2.8 jtd question

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  1. airwave

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    Okay , i think it's time for me to start getting serious , here . And with that in mind , i've got a little query regarding the Fiat 2.8 jtd , released mid 90's to early 2000's , that maybe you guy's can sort out for me .

    I'm of the understanding , that the base 2.8 power plant is available with different power output's (horse power) , am i correct in this thinking , people ? .
     
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    125 bhp or 144 bhp according to Wikipedia
     
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    The Iveco 2.8 engine was available from the late 90s (1997 ish) and was based largely on the previous 2.5 litre Iveco lump. From its introduction to late 2000/2001 it was largely used in IDTD format (intercooled direct turbo diesel) although some converters did fit non intercooled and a few even fitted non turbo units. JTD refers to the first generation common rail injection motors and came in 2000/2001. 2.8 non turbo gave about 90BHP, turbo adds 10 to give 100BHP, intercooler gives another ten roughly and the JTD in UK form gave 127BHP (continental motors had a "power" option which gave 147 BHP. All figures are approximate and as close as my memory can produce.

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    Wikipedia

    2.8[edit]

    2.8 L
    Overview
    Manufacturer
    Iveco
    Also called
    Combustion chamber
    Configuration
    I4
    Displacement 2,798 cc (170.7 cu in)
    The 2.8 JTD (2,798 cc) made by Iveco (Sofim) was used in second generation Fiat Ducato, it produces 127 PS (93 kW; 125 hp) or 146 PS (107 kW; 144 hp).

    Applications:

    If you also search Iveco Daily from Wiki

    Engines[edit]
    1990–2000

    • 2.5l diesel 75 hp@4200rpm
    • 2.5l turbodiesel 103 hp@3800rpm
    • 2.5l tdi 115 hp@3800rpm
    • 2.8l diesel 85 hp
    • 2.8l turbodiesel 103 hp@3600rpm
    • 2.8l tdi 118 hp@3600rpm
     
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  5. airwave

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    Ah Dave , hi there , i was hoping you would be about . So basically i'm not correct . It sound's like the jtd is a second generation 2.8 yeah .
     
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    Yes, that just about sums it up. Worth noting that although the basic engine is the same the cambelt and tensioner pulleys are different depending on whether its JTD or not so they are NOT interchangeable.

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  7. airwave

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    Got it , thank's for that Dave , very useful information . The intercooled lump is producing close to what i'm looking for , a little extra grunt for hill climbing . A bit more would be nice , but still how much is enough .

    I wonder if perhaps you would indulge me one last group of question's .

    I'm guessing that the 2.8 has an engine management system , is the reporting system obd2 compliant , with a 16 pin plug or does it have the earlier canbus system with limited reporting ? .

    And the other question is , does it have a catalytic converter ? .

    Mickey ..
     
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    You can't just group it as "the 2.8 engine" I'm afraid. 2.8 pre JTD has no management, it is an old school mechanical injection system. 2.8 JTD from inception (2001 from memory) to facelift (2003 I think) has a three pin connection for diagnostics, it is located dangling somewhere above the bellhousing in the engine bay usually. Facelifted models from 2003(?) till late 2006 have full 16 pin EOBD located to the side of the steering column behind a removable flap.

    Catalytic converter? possibly, some do some don't.

    It might have been easier if you'd just told us what year and model your motorhome is (I assume that is the basis for your questions) and asked specific questions about that.

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    Just curious, always wondered why engines are referred to as 'lumps'

    Anyone know ?
     
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    Is it because they start with a lump of metal perhaps?
     
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    Because when they won't start they're just an ugly lump of uselessness. Engines are often also referred to as a donkey (sometimes shortened to donk), as in a basic propulsion provider.

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    can I ask Dave being serious just how reliable a well maintained 2005 version (as per our recently purchased) actually is on a score of 1 to 10?
     
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    try banging a shin on one
     
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    As reliable as any modern motor really, I have two Ducatos, a 2005 2.0 JTD SWB work van with 210,000 (yes you read that right, two hundred and ten thousand) miles on the clock, the second one is a 2009 X250 2.3 litre 120BHP XLWB with 205,000 (two hundred and five thousand) miles under its belts. In my experience low mileage vehicles like motorhomes suffer far more problems and reliability issues than high mileage, frequently serviced vehicles. Having said that the 2005 van has had one clutch replacement while the 2009 motor has had three clutches and two gearboxes!

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    Homework Dave , as yet i don't have a motorhome , i plan on starting to look in sept . Almost certainly a B584 around mid 90's to 2003 , most likely to be based on , Fiat 2.5 td or 2.8 tdi , running gear . I'm not a fan of ecu's or cat's , i know some people will slate me for that statement , but i'm old school too , they add extra complexity , and more to go wrong . At present i run a 21yr old citroen diesel (preparing it for mot as we speak) and since i joined this forum , i've been sitting in the back ground reading post's , just needed some gap's filling in , and your answer's are most helpful .
     
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    Oh , and Jim , i refer the motor as a lump based on , it's the biggest single item on the vehicle .
     
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    Thank you Dave that's great news
    Ian
     
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    Fair enough, personally I'd go for a post 2003 JTD model as the engine is much smoother with ECU control and the driving environment is more refined but each to their own.

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    Our 2001 B584 has the 2.8 itdi and that's all mechanical, no ecu stuff.
     
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