MOT change of rules (1 Viewer)

[tofo]

Just dropped the truck off for its mot
And the kerb side inner gaitor to be changed

Owner of the station told me change of brake testing for campers
Brake test will now be carried out as in the old days
Take the truck on the road with a gizmo on the floor
Slam brakes on check the gizmo for brake efficiency

All because of not sure of weight after vehicle ( motorhome )construction
To me it's a backward step

It's what I was told and assume it to be true

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[DavidG58]

Had our 5 ton MH done this month without leaving the MOT shed

is yours a lot bigger?

 

[treetops1]

Sounds a bit harsh to me ,what about the damage inside when doors start flying open and spilling items .I think we all expect it in an emergency stop but not for an MOT.

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[tofo]

Had our 5 ton MH done this month without leaving the MOT shed

is yours a lot bigger?

smaller only dropped it off this morning
its what i was told wether its the under 3500 kg not sure
mine is 2800 kg

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[jhorsf]

the brake rollers weigh the vans axle weight so I do not understand maybe Geo can throw some light on it

 

[chaser]

Just had ours done, no road test:thumb:

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[greyman1]

the unit is called a tapley meter and all mot stations MUST still have one as back up in the event of the rolling brake meter rollers being out of action or calibration . it was my job as a apprentice, many many years ago to sit in the passenger seat with one between my feet as we went out on road test [ aarrgh mk 1 3 litre capris THOSE WERE THE DAYS !! ]

 

[Geo]

Not an entirely correct explanation and not a new rule either but a new aproach

So for those that nothing better to do on such a fine day here is the explanation
shortened version

All brake testing with rollers requires the weight to be known, converted vehicle weights are simply not known
a braking % effort is needed to pass without this you cant pass, the weight must be known in order to calculate this

So what do we do
1. put it in the rollers and hope that enough of the wheels lock up, when this happens the weight is irreverent, you can't get better braking than a lock up(were talking performance here not distance) before the ABS pendants startoh:

2. If they dont lock then we MUST have a %.to continue on to a pass as the weight is unknown this achieved by using the road test and a "Tappley" Meter as already pointed out we do still use them as they measure performance on the road as a % of the weight in motion
This meter is still used for all 4x4 vehicles
this new aproach may well result in a lot of Motorhomes failing brake testing this time round in particular hand brake efforts
In the past the calculations have been done using the base vehicle weight wich can be as low as 1500KG for some vans brakes previously passing at that calculation will now have to pass using possibly the max of the vehicle ie 3500KG

It is in your own interest to empty a vehicle for a MoT test, the lighter it actually is the less braking effort will be reqd to pass

If items start flying out of cupboards or down the van the test may well be abandoned and the full fee payable
Geo

 

[Geo]

Sounds a bit harsh to me ,what about the damage inside when doors start flying open and spilling items .I think we all expect it in an emergency stop but not for an MOT.

You only have two options
1, Your van failed the MoT and brake test because at 45% the plates sounded like they may fall outoh:

2, Your van Passed the MoT and brake test but you need new plates

Let us know your choice before the test please:thumb:
To be honest your comment worries meoh:
G

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[DBK]

Sounds a bit harsh to me ,what about the damage inside when doors start flying open and spilling items .I think we all expect it in an emergency stop but not for an MOT.

It would be in your interests I think, especially if you think the braking is marginal, to ensure it goes for testing as empty as possible. There being, at least not yet as far as I know, any requirement to load MHs for testing.

Does beg the question if the tester gets a 'fridge wrapped round their ears during an emergency stop is that a fail? Yes, I expect, but sadly in the event of a serious head on collision a lot of motorhomes will bombard the driver and passenger with sundry internal fitments including microwaves and those pots and pans stored in an overhead locker along the back wall.

I think it was Swift who did some crash testing last year who highlighted this. They passed their results on to other manufacturers for them to hopefully, take note.

 

[motor roamin]

One of the basic things we train to newbies is stow loose items, a bottle of water inder a brake pedal and we have no brakes, I know the temtation in our motorhomes is to have all sorts of stuff not stowed when going down the road, well not in mine if any cupboard could be forced open by an impact then I have the wrong contents in it there may be a jumper cusions or coat that could fly about but thats it, now you may think I am being a goody two shoes, nope, at 18years old I recovered a 1955 Hilman Minx that had been rear ended when waiting to turn right the driver was dead and much of her head was on the back seat along with her golf clubs that her head had hit when the seat back broke in the collision, that was a hard lesson but one I will never forget, life can be cut short but for a moments thought. Just my opinion of course.

All the best Rick

 

[Geo]

DONT WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT LOCKING THE CUPBOARDS 28.9 mph

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[Moodybrook]

Gee thanks I really wanted to see that !!

 

[JJ]

Sod it...

Frankie might have been interested in buying that van...


JJ :Cool:

 

[Wildbill]

Sounds a bit harsh to me ,what about the damage inside when doors start flying open and spilling items .I think we all expect it in an emergency stop but not for an MOT.

don't you think that it would be best to ensure that the van and its content are secure for even the shortest of journeys if you are wored abut the content of cupboards I and doors spilling all over the van secure them or I would find another mode of transport to go on holiday:thumb:

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[Rapido925M]

Presumably there are MOT stations and MOT Stations?

My van had each axle weighed by the rollers prior to the braking effort being measured (I use it as a cheap weighbridge every year ).

Gordon

 

[maz]

It is in your own interest to empty a vehicle for a MoT test, the lighter it actually is the less braking effort will be reqd to pass

I get what you're saying, Geo, but doesn't it then make the brake test a nonsense as very few vans will normally be driven empty (other than dealer vans going to and from shows)?

Also as I live in my van, it will take a very patient garage to wait while I unload all my worldly goods/clutter on the forecourt.

If knowing the weight is the issue, why not tie the MOT test in with a compulsory trip to a weighbridge? I'd do that once a year anyway so could easily combine it with the MOT.

 

[tofo]

I get what you're saying, Geo, but doesn't it then make the brake test a nonsense as very few vans will normally be driven empty (other than dealer vans going to and from shows)?

Also as I live in my van, it will take a very patient garage to wait while I unload all my worldly goods/clutter on the forecourt.

If knowing the weight is the issue, why not tie the MOT test in with a compulsory trip to a weighbridge? I'd do that once a year anyway so could easily combine it with the MOT.

I think I'm right in saying the mot station mot ramp rollers
Have a weighbridge type thing built in

I've asked the mot gent to retain a copy of the weights
Hopefully he will

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[DP+JAY]

[HI]I think I'm right in saying the mot station mot ramp rollers
Have a weighbridge type thing built in [/HI]

I've asked the mot gent to retain a copy of the weights
Hopefully he will

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Only the VOSA HGV type ones do, not the local garage type.