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No offence taken Dave.We all know where it is but with the greatest respect to the likes of Papajohn who lives there, why would anyone want to go there .
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As the average motor home is only a few feet longer than a car does it really matter when parking up......we are all tourists spending money in their town at the end of the day. [HI]Other towns have proper parking facilities for motor homes[/HI], and some are free.
They might as well put up signs that say " Please don't enjoy yourself when visiting our town. We don't want you here anyway"
We have similar No Motorcaravan signs along the sea front just down the road from me. The councils excuse for putting them up was that one of the residents complained about overnighting motorhomes. They started with a dozen signs in one road, now they have put signs up on over a mile of road.
Some powerful resident that must have been.
No, wait, I was at the council meeting when putting the signs up was first proposed. There were no complaints from any residents. I opposed the decision, but I think it had already been decided.
Allan
We all know where it is but with the greatest respect to the likes of Papajohn who lives there, why would anyone want to go there .
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They might as well put up signs that say " Please don't enjoy yourself when visiting our town. We don't want you here anyway"
We have similar No Motorcaravan signs along the sea front just down the road from me. The councils excuse for putting them up was that one of the residents complained about overnighting motorhomes. They started with a dozen signs in one road, now they have put signs up on over a mile of road.
Some powerful resident that must have been.
No, wait, I was at the council meeting when putting the signs up was first proposed. There were no complaints from any residents. I opposed the decision, but I think it had already been decided.
Allan
Its not just Scarborough that is being protested against. Andy has had results in Scotland and had illegal signs removedI love Scarborough! Spent many hols there when a child. Lots of lovely history stuff there, including first Grand Hotel in Europe, first English seaside resort (17th century), the home of my ancestors. Come from a long line of Scarborough pub keepers! Plus wonderful Alan Aykbourn plays at the Theatre.
I take Graham's point - not many places in UK where Motor Homes CAN camp overnight in car parks. Why pick Scarborough out for criticism?
Catherine
Its not just Scarborough that is being protested against. Andy has had results in Scotland and had illegal signs removed
SBC brought the temporary traffic order in because they said there has been reports of toilet waste being dumped and this was to stop it. What a lie! When asked for proof of the dumping they could produce no evidence. Even if they could how would an overnight ban for one type of vehicle be a sensible thing to do? Should we ban cars from parking at night if the council say that some car owners left rubbish.
Before the ban we visited Scarborough many times mainly before and after the summer season and we saw a motorhomer picking up waste rather than leaving waste. We saw car owners leaving hot bbqs and dirty nappies. It is a resort that desperately needs visitors especially out of season to support the small traders.
Besides, if one council gets away with it the the others will follow.......
Should we not bother protecting our rights to park?
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That a council should have a properly made order tempory or not does not give them the moral right to discriminate against people in motorhomes. The whole thing is a way to milk the motorist and if people wish to protest that the councils are wrong then apart from voting them out at the next election are they supposed to just ignore the increasing pressures to drive them off of the roads. A lot of us outside of the hallowed halls of establishment know that making representations at a public consultation is largely over ruled by representation formulated at our expence by the councils legal team against us.Ah yes, the guy who threw his dummy out of the pram when a few people on the Wild Camping forum dared to disagree with him
The situation regarding off-street car parks in the whole of Scarborough Borough is that there is a properly made order preventing camping in car parks for reasons well aired in other threads.
As regards on-street parking (the responsibility of North Yorkshire County Council) there is a properly made temporary order in place. I can't remember when it finishes but it will then have to be made permanent if it is to continue. At that time there will be a public consultation exercise as part of the process. That is the appropriate time for objections to be made - but they will have to be well evidenced (not just whinges) if they are to succeed.
So what you're saying is because one group parked on the grass and a few people break the law we should be banned and forced out of towns.
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That a council should have a properly made order tempory or not does not give them the moral right to discriminate against people in motorhomes. The whole thing is a way to milk the motorist and if people wish to protest that the councils are wrong then apart from voting them out at the next election are they supposed to just ignore the increasing pressures to drive them off of the roads. A lot of us outside of the hallowed halls of establishment know that making representations at a public consultation is largely over ruled by representation formulated at our expence by the councils legal team against us.
The establishment always think they are right.
I love Scarborough! Spent many hols there when a child. Lots of lovely history stuff there, including first Grand Hotel in Europe, first English seaside resort (17th century), the home of my ancestors. Come from a long line of Scarborough pub keepers! Plus wonderful Alan Aykbourn plays at the Theatre.
I take Graham's point - not many places in UK where Motor Homes CAN camp overnight in car parks. Why pick Scarborough out for criticism?
Catherine
I used to go to Rhyl and Colwyn Bay as a child and it was quite nice in those days, but wouldn't dream of going now for reasons that anyone that's been there in the last 5 years will know. Places do change Catherine, and not always for the best.
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Planning policy is derived from guidelines laid down by a higher authority, however most councils don't have the initiative to appreciate they are guidelines only not hard and fast laws. Local conditions and needs obviously should take precedent over guidelines. councils adopt those guidelines that suit themselves and ignore the rest. Whilst we must have some form of order[HI] it irks me that planning permission is turned down on the grounds of greenbelt etc., one week for a single house, then flouted the next month to build a housing estate or industrial estate. [/HI]As always its money that talks rather than need or common sense.
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Fylde council have made a car park available for overnight motorhome parking which attracts people instead of driving them away. It works, so [HI]why do SBC not do similar[/HI]? They use all sorts of excuses instead of making a compromise that would make the majority of people happy
And that is what this action is all about, getting a compromise.
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