Jim
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In July I had a Jane Dunn comment onBroken Link Removed. Scroll down under the article to read her comments. What do you think?
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The Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/2864/schedule/2/made
I am now of the opinion that there is no debate. Heavy motor caravans come under Category C/C1.
The definition of Category C for licencing purposes is:
"Motor vehicles having a maximum authorised mass exceeding 3.5 tonnes, other than vehicles falling within category D, F, G or H, including any such vehicle drawing a trailer having a maximum authorised mass not exceeding 750 kilograms."
An RV exceeds 3.5 tonnes, does not have more than 9 travelling seats, is not an agricultural tractor, road roller or track laying vehicle steered by its tracks (although it would be awesome if it was!) There is no mention of "goods vehicle" in the description, just "motor vehicle".
Therefore, for licensing purposes it is category C (or the subset C1, if under 7500kg).
The Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/2864/schedule/2/made
It is a very good point. Why don't you need a HGV to drive a coach?
My take on it is that if you need a HGV to drive a RV you should be able to take your test in your RV.
My mate went to take the test, and on the big day, sat in the VOSA office going through the paper work only to be told that he already had the entitlement as he had taken his HGV in the army oh:
Who'd be that daft 'eh?
Eddie
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I'd hope not. It appears to be a Category D1 vehicle. You might be able to take a D1 (minibus) test in it, but you'd have to check it against the test vehicle specs. These are more specific, so you typically require a more typical rather than extreme vehicle within the category.My RV has 11 seats, with seat belts so I can carry 10 passengers in a seat designed to be travelled in. We bought the RV new last year so it complies with the additional "rules" agreed between the RV dealers association and the DVLA
According to my licence I can drive a mini bus with less than 15 but more than nine passengers on my normal licence up to 12,000 Kilos so long as it is not for hire or reward.
Yet I still cant take a HGV test in it.
Indeed. As for MOT test purposes it is a motor caravan. MOT rules and licence rules are completely independent and are not aligned with each other.Yet I will still have to get a class four "car" MOT in two years
However, the UK law is there, and I've quoted it. There is a complete lack of ambiguity as far as I can see. People are welcome to post links to contradictory legislation.I think that the lady's argument isn't what licensing authorities are currently stating, it the fact that it is not based on legislation and in fact is not concurrent with existing European law.
Just to chuck in a spanner
Why doesn't a psv driver taking his test in a 12 ton bus not get a lgv entitlement he can do a test using a 7.5 ton truck and get one
Whats the differance ?
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Just to chuck in a spanner
Why doesn't a psv driver taking his test in a 12 ton bus not get a lgv entitlement he can do a test using a 7.5 ton truck and get one
Whats the differance ?
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Thank god I did my HGV class 1 in 1975 and still got my origanal black book
It is certainly interesting! DVLA as well known to be a law unto themselves.
What I would be interested in, is what the change is regarding the photocard license as this techinically 'expires' every ten years - which contradicts itself as it still has the 70 year date on it. Would they try to use this as some kind of defence?
I had a siutuation with a customer who I was trying to help out - her log book was sent off when she bought her motorhome - took 8 MONTHS to arrive due to a 'back-log' despite many complaint letters to chivvy them on.
It came through - and they fined her £80 for not having taxed or sorn it.....she couldn't as she had no log book, and it wasn't in her name - the reminder would have gone to the previous owner. She appealled, but they had none of it - the log-book changed ownership on the day she bought it, and they denied taking so long to process it! She was a magistrate, so it proves that they don't care who the mess around!
I think the 10 year expiry you mention is the actual photo,I had this situation recently and think I had several years left on most groups on my licence but HGV was close to expiry.I was not worried about this as retired anyway.
From memory I had to pay £20 for the pleasure of a new photcard licence with a new much older looking photo on it!
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But would you really want anyone getting out of there Smart car and getting into a 20 ton 40 ft long RV and driving down the road with no experience of driving anything bigger or heavier than a Fiat Panda. It beggars belief.
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Beat you 73 I did mine......still on log books as you were Oh how simple those days were :thumb:
All the best rick
It expires because of the photo. But the license does expire.
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Beat you...I didn't take an HGV test as I drove trucks before you had a test, I had grandfather rights.
Did take a PSV test though. :thumb:
I used to have a group 2 license in the past, but let it laps when I changed jobs, can this be re-instated and if so will it be any good to me at aged 70 ?. Pete
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