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I know this has been done to death, but have just been reading Smart a Tows web site and they state that no one with their A Frame has ever been stopped in the EU and they state that if any one is fined,[HI] they will pay the fine[/HI]. Makes you think.
Still not bringing ours to Spain.
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Tow bars to tow cars use one of the original towing bolts on the car. The towing eyes are not designed to take that amount of stress. They also use an electronic brake system. How would you explain that to the cops abroad. If they dont understand how they work, they could fine you. What you need is a system like Cat A Tow or Chris Cox use, at least the cops can see and understand how the brakes work. I have a Car A Tow system fitted to my Smart and it works a treat, sturdy and secure. Not flimsy and light weight!!!
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Brakes aren't the issue here Alan.....Spanish motoring law specifically forbids a motorised vehicle towing another motorised vehicle unless its on a trailer/flatbed truckpersonally i think, in fact positively reckon cara tow and the cris cox system is illegal here . the electric system is definately one of the only ways to meet the braking requirements .
i can see no reason for the electric system or an air system to be not covered under eu rules in spain. i can see that the conventional overrun hitch cant meet the rules .
agreed...trailer regs state if brakes are fitted (even under 750kg) they ALL must work...one brake on each wheel which is why an A frame brake works on the foot brake, not the hand brake.My contention is, and always has been, that they are illegal everywhere, its just that differing states chose which laws to enforce and which ones not to give too much prevalence to.
We ran world famous buses in london, until we submitted a new design, then the EU stated they were illegal, in this country nobody bothers you sleeping in your van or lorry without a proper bunk or night heater, try doing it in Germany, other countries will soon be following spain I think.
Its worth asking, if people had opted for trailers, would they be more available and cheaper by now?, its also worth noting, that i doubt whether any vehicle with a transmission handbrake could use an A frame anyway.
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very true Geo, in the same way it was not illegal to own a CB radio in the 70's and 80's...but it was illegal to use it oh:And untill spain excepts that a motorised vehicle attached by an A frame is "a trailer" as far as the UK is concerned it will stay that way
The A frame is not illegal in Spain its what you do with it that seems to offend
Geo
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Has the horse been gassed
My contention is, and always has been, that they are illegal everywhere, its just that differing states chose which laws to enforce and which ones not to give too much prevalence to.
We ran world famous buses in london, until we submitted a new design, then the EU stated they were illegal, in this country nobody bothers you sleeping in your van or lorry without a proper bunk or night heater, try doing it in Germany, other countries will soon be following spain I think.
Its worth asking, if people had opted for trailers, would they be more available and cheaper by now?, its also worth noting, that i doubt whether any vehicle with a transmission handbrake could use an A frame anyway.
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Brakes aren't the issue here Alan.....Spanish motoring law specifically forbids a motorised vehicle towing another motorised vehicle unless its on a trailer/flatbed truck
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I for one am guilty of Aframing for many years as I was of the opinion that American RVs were the way to travel. I saw the problems coming with Aframes in Spain 2 years ago and it was one of the deciding factors as why I downsized to a more manageable motorhome. There is of course the argument that if you must have a car when touring why have a motorhome. Why not have a car and caravan. Just maybe that's why there is such a huge interest in 5 ers now. Having said that there are many places that we have visited that it would be impossible to get a 5 er or an RV.
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