Lack of training in the motor industry (1 Viewer)

[Douglas]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11052430

This kind of thing has been reported many times and it will continue so long as the training and Quality control is at its present levels in the motor industry.

I personally put it down to the demise of the apprenticeship system that worked so well in the UK for hundreds of years.

The present system of 1 weeks courses with a attendance certificate at the end is no substitute for real and in depth training the the apprenticeship system gave.

Doug...

 

[wizzer59]

I find it very hard to trust garages having been done over a couple of times:Angry:, but unless they all have some sort of spot check system its hard to imagine any sort of change.

 

[Geo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11052430

This kind of thing has been reported many times and it will continue so long as the training and Quality control is at its present levels in the motor industry.

I personally put it down to the demise of the apprenticeship system that worked so well in the UK for hundreds of years.

The present system of 1 weeks courses with a attendance certificate at the end is no substitute for real and in depth training the the apprenticeship system gave.

Doug...

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[scotjimland]

Absolutely correct Doug

In the news just recently, BT had 20,000 applications for 200 apprentice places

but we are paying millions to send kids to uni for useless degrees or degrees with no job future .. call me cynical but for many it's just three years tossing it off

I say , find a job then get the training and qualifications as required .. not the other way round oh: that was how I did it

 

[Jim]

There may well be things wrong with the garage/service industry but do qualifications have anything to do with it? Guy near me specialises in Landrovers, he services, repairs, and restores them, there is nothing he does not know about them. in fact he is a bit anal about them, lives and breathes Landrover. But he does not have a qualification to his name, they way things are going it won't be long before some jobsworth will make him pass a test to get a "certificate" to carry on with what he is already doingoh:

I think we've gone "qualification crazy" My mate has probably fitted over a thousand boilers in a 40 year plumbing career, though a couple of years ago he had to do a course, be taught by a spotty "yoof who new nuffin" (his words) just to become "certificated"

Another mate has worked as a Bodyguard for 17 years, the last 7 of those as a civvy in Iraq. On his return, to be able to work in the UK he had to sit a course, tutored by a suitable spotty yoof to get a "certificate" which will enable him to be able to spend another £300 to buy a license that will enable him to work.

A whole industry has sprung up, a certificate industry. Jobs for the boys

 

[madbluemad]

My youngset son went to uni and it was a total waste of three years of his life. Everything about it was a complete waste of time.

He now has a job as a dispensing chemist, this being so far removed from his original interest its untrue. He started by working as a toe rag in BOOTS and then worked for his qualifications, now he coudnt be happier.

It would have been far better for him to have done that in the first place.

As for motor mechanics a friend of my youngest son didnt go to uni. He got a job with Lookers. The training he received at Lookers was exceptional. As well as bieng in the workshops he was sent away to College on a boading basis.

Whenever I go into Lookers I find the service to be very professional and I'm always happy with what they do for me.

The only problem is that their expensive and so I tend to go to a smaller local garage that I know.

I dont know what level of training these guys have had but I now every mechanic in there, they have been there that long. I'm always happy with the service.

SWMBO takes her car in to KWIK FIT for her services and MOT'S, there's never a problem and I cant believe that a company such as KWIK fit doesnt have a minimum qualification requirment.

My mh goes into a garage where the owner knows American Motorhomes like the back of his hand. All of his mechanices are trained and qualified. You only have to talk to them to tell that they know what their doing and so aqain no problems.

When I left school I was offered a job as a Motor Mechanic with a large chain of garges. I would have been required to attend College for at least 2 years if memory serves me, I think the garage chain was Voss Motors. It was for this reason that I didnt take the job.

I think that one half of the time people have a downer on garages simply because of the cost and again, you get what you pay for.

Any how this is an overspill thread from Jims post re qualifications for habitation service engineers.

Jim

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[hilldweller]

A whole industry has sprung up, a certificate industry. Jobs for the boys

Nothing new.

If you were in the masons you got to supervise the building of some pyramids a good few thousand years ago.

Job protection is one of man's oldest endeavours. At the top the kings and it works it's way down to the honorary guild of shit shovellers and dung traders and if you can't make that grade you really are in deep poo.

 

[cyclingdoglucy]

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Another mate has worked as a Bodyguard for 17 years,.


i agree with you jim , i learnt my trade bodyguarding at MOTHERCARE for 5 full years.
i can now kill a man EVENTUALLY?,:thumb:.
mr bean.

 

[Road Runner]

TBO mechanics coming through the ranks now are fitters, the likes of Geo is a dying breed although his boys still fix things (being car racers) and not F1 ones either.

See computers being plugged into new cars now and one part fitted no thats not it so in bin and on and on till one works.

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[acting_strange]

There may well be things wrong with the garage/service industry but do qualifications have anything to do with it? Guy near me specialises in Landrovers, he services, repairs, and restores them, there is nothing he does not know about them. in fact he is a bit anal about them, lives and breathes Landrover. But he does not have a qualification to his name, they way things are going it won't be long before some jobsworth will make him pass a test to get a "certificate" to carry on with what he is already doingoh:

I think we've gone "qualification crazy" My mate has probably fitted over a thousand boilers in a 40 year plumbing career, though a couple of years ago he had to do a course, be taught by a spotty "yoof who new nuffin" (his words) just to become "certificated"

Another mate has worked as a Bodyguard for 17 years, the last 7 of those as a civvy in Iraq. On his return, to be able to work in the UK he had to sit a course, tutored by a suitable spotty yoof to get a "certificate" which will enable him to be able to spend another £300 to buy a license that will enable him to work.

A whole industry has sprung up, a certificate industry. Jobs for the boys

As a working lecturer all I can say is ,....you are absolutely correct Jim....we are now being micro managed by idiots who don't have the first idea of what real training/education is but can always cross the T's and dot the I's when it comes to finding new ways of extracting monies from people in the endless pursuit of useless qualifications.

 

[madbluemad]

Whilst there are a whole rake of Private Training Companies that are most definatley on the make be careful not to devalue the people who have worked hard to aquire the knowledge to enable themselves to be granted a genuine certificate of competence.

Most of the people that I employ must be qualified. They are trained and examined by one of the most stringent profesional bodies in the country before being certified.

A prerequisit for training, examination and certification is a minimum of five years working within the industry being supervised by a certified competent person.

A qualification can act as a bench mark during interviews as you are aware of the basic knowledge that the candidte must have.
Jim

 

[Taran_Las]

TBO mechanics coming through the ranks now are fitters, the likes of Geo is a dying breed although his boys still fix things (being car racers) and not F1 ones either.

See computers being plugged into new cars now and one part fitted no thats not it so in bin and on and on till one works.

I thought fitters were the skilled guys who could make parts fit using engineering skills honed over many years.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Phil

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[Douglas]

I thought fitters were the skilled guys who could make parts fit using engineering skills honed over many years.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Phil

Thats my understanding also.

Doug...

 

[Road Runner]

Whoops my misunderstanding then:Blush::Blush::Blush::Blush::Blush:

 

[acting_strange]

Fitters do just that...fit new parts.....its old b*gg*rs like me who were taught how to repair.

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[scotjimland]

I thought fitters were the skilled guys who could make parts fit using engineering skills honed over many years.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Phil

Not wrong .. they are Mechanical fitters..

we also have

Shop fitters
Shoe fitters
Tyre fitters
Exhaust fitters

and the guys at Kwik Fit .. you can't get better than a Kwik Fit fitter

etc etc etc

 

[motor roamin]

Fitters do just that...fit new parts.....its old b*gg*rs like me who were taught how to repair.

Yes but they only fit new parts having plugged a computer in and blindly believed what it told them.lol

I sent one of my trucks to a main dealer because it was stalling on tickover they told me I had low pressure on one injector, my question to them was ok so whats causing it to stall, thepr reply was the low pressure on one injector, I dont think so said I, their reply was our technician.........well theres a joke they only wanted £2,000 to put it right, so I took it away changed the pump solenoid £245 and cured it.

Four years later I sold that truck oh it still had the origianl injectors.