Fixed Penalty Motoring Fines (1 Viewer)

[Larrynwin]

It is proposed that £15 will be added to fixed penalty motoring fines eg parking and speeding fines, for victim support, what victims and where will the money go?

 

[Lincolnshire Rover]

The government are getting desparate for money they will be taxing the air we breathe soon just another labour stealth tax.

 

[SIFTA SAM]

It is proposed that £15 will be added to fixed penalty motoring fines eg parking and speeding fines, for victim support, what victims and where will the money go?

Some of the money will be given to Yemen to fight terrorism, and some, probably to Somalia.

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[dellwood33]

2 I am lost for words :Angry:

 

[MikeandCarolyn]

£15 is already being charged if you are fined for not having a TV license.
Source:Llantrisant and Pontypridd Observer.

 

[MicknPat]

It is proposed that £15 will be added to fixed penalty motoring fines eg parking and speeding fines, for victim support, what victims and where will the money go?

How about for more extensions, decorating, gardening for MP's second and third houses.........Got to keep the trough full :Angry:

Mick

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[Tailendcharley]

Apparently it's to pay for victims of domestic violence.....what on earth that has to do with anything is beyond me.

Just another way/method of stealing money from us....you could'nt make it up


All the best

Smithy

 

[dellwood33]

So if I get a parking fine & then get SWMBO to beat me up, I will get my money back ?

 

[Bulletguy]

.....they will be taxing the air we breathe soon just another labour stealth tax.

I'd rephrase that to UK Government tax.......unless of course you believe Conservatives won't bring in any stealth taxes or increase tax?

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[schojac]

C'mon, give this government a chance.

We do get some fun out of trying to identify where and at who the next money spinning project will be aimed. It gives an ironic sense of achievement when some one hits the nail on the head with a smug "I told you so"

Long live justice and equality.

 

[Bulletguy]

Apparently it's to pay for victims of domestic violence.....what on earth that has to do with anything is beyond me.

As usual, nothing to do with motoring....but everything related to alcohol.

So slap the tax on drink.

 

[schojac]

You want to pay some one 80K + expensives to come up with that one

"I told you so"

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[busydaffodil]

It is proposed that £15 will be added to fixed penalty motoring fines eg parking and speeding fines, for victim support, what victims and where will the money go?

More ducks & duck houses.....and moat cleaning. Cannot have dirty moats! oh:

 

[scotjimland]

We need more revenue, so taxing the law breakers is fine by me :thumb:

but as already mentioned, raise the excise duty on alcohol to pay for the crippling burden it's placing on the NHS .. say 50p per unit to go direct to the NHS

New years eve alone cost the NHS ( you and me ) £21million.

 

[yorkshirepudding]

Where will the money go?

It will be swallowed up in administration of course.

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[John H]

We need more revenue, so taxing the law breakers is fine by me :thumb:

but as already mentioned, raise the excise duty on alcohol to pay for the crippling burden it's placing on the NHS .. say 50p per unit to go direct to the NHS

New years eve alone cost the NHS ( you and me ) £21million.

putting tax on alcohol is punishing the law abiding people who like a drink and the responsible landlords who wont serve drunks , almost the same type of knee jerk reactions that banned hand guns because some loon shot someone, now our olympic shooting team have to go over seas to practice and lots of law abiding gun clubs had to close. wouldnt it be better for the law breakers to be punnished ? do away with human rights for the law breakers. make them dress in pink overalls and clear rivers.beaches ,community areas etc.

regards, John

 

[pappajohn]

It is proposed that £15 will be added to fixed penalty motoring fines eg parking and speeding fines, for victim support, what victims and where will the money go?

look on any courts report page in a local newspaper and you'll see they already have a £15 victim surcharge on nearly every court imposed fine. (at least they do in scarborough)

its my belief this money goes into a central pot to compensate victims of real crime, usually violent crimes.
this used to be, and probably still is, handled by the criminal injuries compensation board.

if you get beaten up by some workshy lowlife scum who only has enough money for booze then theres no point in the courts awarding compo as it will never appear...hence the victim surcharge.

they fight....we pay :Angry:

 

[scotjimland]

putting tax on alcohol is punishing the law abiding people who like a drink and the responsible landlords who wont serve drunks , almost the same type of knee jerk reactions that banned hand guns because some loon shot someone,


regards, John

Not a knee jerk reaction, alcohol and the social costs have nothing in common with a lunatic with a gun.. that was a knee jerk reaction that has had no effect on cutting gun crime.

Alcohol consumption has reached an all time high with the accompanying social problems, assaults, domestic violence, road deaths and ill health , the burden on society is crippling..

50p per unit to a sensible drinker is peanuts.. and will probably be introduced in Scotland. Tobacco is taxed at a far higher rate to try to stop people smoking, so why not alcohol?

I'll tell you why, because there are too many vested interests.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8433935.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7944334.stm

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[bazfergy]

Don't speed,and park where you're meant to,and it wont affect you:thumb:

 

[John H]

Not a knee jerk reaction, alcohol and the social costs have nothing in common with a lunatic with a gun.. that was a knee jerk reaction that has had no effect on cutting gun crime.

Alcohol consumption has reached an all time high with the accompanying social problems, assaults, domestic violence, road deaths and ill health , the burden on society is crippling..

50p per unit to a sensible drinker is peanuts.. and will probably be introduced in Scotland. Tobacco is taxed at a far higher rate to try to stop people smoking, so why not alcohol?

I'll tell you why, because there are too many vested interests.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8433935.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7944334.stm

Tobacco is taxed a higher rate to try and stop people smoking but has it worked ? 50p a unit may be a small amount to you and I but one old gent who used to come into my local for two pints and a chat in the afternoon doesnt come in at all now as the cost of beer has gone up so much, it cant be fair that this old gent and others like him are missing out because of the idiot drinkers can it ?

Regards, John

 

[pappajohn]

seeing as how the thread as moved from victim support to alcohol abuse i'll chuck in my two penn'rth.

if someone is convicted of an alcohol related crime, no matter what it is, then the courts should impose a compulsory alcohol abuse management course as they already do for some violent offenders...ie...anger management courses, and drug offenders.

this wont work for many but if it helps some it will reduce the cost to the NHS and the course costs would be far less than the NHS costs and could/should be included in any fines imposed.

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[Larrynwin]

We need more revenue, so taxing the law breakers is fine by me :thumb:

but as already mentioned, raise the excise duty on alcohol to pay for the crippling burden it's placing on the NHS .. say 50p per unit to go direct to the NHS

New years eve alone cost the NHS ( you and me ) £21million.

It is probable that if all the revenue from alcohol went directly to the NHS you would find that drinkers already pay their share.

 

[scotjimland]

Tobacco is taxed a higher rate to try and stop people smoking but has it worked ? 50p a unit may be a small amount to you and I but one old gent who used to come into my local for two pints and a chat in the afternoon doesnt come in at all now as the cost of beer has gone up so much, it cant be fair that this old gent and others like him are missing out because of the idiot drinkers can it ?

Regards, John

I agree it's not fair to the old gent nor to any other 'responsible' drinker, but is it fair that the NHS is now on it's knees because of alcohol or is it fair to the mother of a daughter mowed down by a drunk driver .. or a family slaughtered by a drunk driver running into the rear of the car ?

I have first hand experience of the harm and destruction it causes.. and this Gov has only exacerbated the situation by relaxing licensing hours and allowing 24/7 sales from supermakets and garages..

What was the theory ?? Relax licensing hours and people will drink sensibly ... oh:

 

[John H]

I agree totaly about the relaxed licensing laws, I worked as a doorman at a local nightclub for over ten years, I've seen first hand what drink does to people.
The drunk driver brings up another problem,we hardly ever see the police about in traffic cars round here just mobile gatso vans, you can be pi**ed out of your head and have no brakes but as long as your under the speed limit you wont be caught. We need more police on the streets, which of course requires more funding. I dont know what the answer is but to punish those that are law abiding to pay for those that arent sounds like the lunatics have taken over the asylum.oh:

regards, John

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[derekfaeberwick]

What was the theory ?? Relax licensing hours and people will drink sensibly ... oh:

Sensible people do. Idiots will just get there 'buzz' from another, probably illegal, source, leaving 'sensible' drinkers to pick up an even larger tab.

Surely you don't believe that this £15 levy will go to victims of crime, do you?

 

[yorkshirepudding]

In the case of alcohol abuse legislation has failed. What we need are greater resources directed towards educating the next generation on responsible behaviour (in all facets of life) and for us to lead by example.

 

[pappajohn]

Surely you don't believe that this £15 levy will go to victims of crime, do you?

no it wont derek, but thats the theory !!!!

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[scotjimland]

Surely you don't believe that this £15 levy will go to victims of crime, do you?

No idea Derek, but if we need more money in the kitty, for what ever purpose, then let the law breakers pay .. make it £30 or £300 .. what ever it takes or needs.

 

[pappajohn]

No idea Derek, but if we need more money in the kitty, for what ever purpose, then let the law breakers pay .. make it £30 or £300 .. what ever it takes or needs.

are you saying if you ever get a ticket, and theres always that chance, you would be quite happy to pay a surcharge of £300 ?

if and when i get my next one can i send it to you please...i'll pay the penalty...you pay the surcharge

how about setting up a volentary donation scheme to bail 'em out......
im sure every law abiding citizen will donate £300.....NOT!!!!oh:

 

[scotjimland]

In the case of alcohol abuse legislation has failed. What we need are greater resources directed towards educating the next generation on responsible behaviour (in all facets of life) and for us to lead by example.

Indeed it has and needs repealed/amended ..

1. Increase tax, pay direct to NHS coffers
2. Reduce license hours, drastically.
3. Ban sales from grocers and garages
4. Ban outdoor drinking in public, lock up those who flout the law.
5. Close pubs/clubs/bars that sell alcohol to drunks
6. Ban cut price drinks, happy hours etc
7. Stiffer penalties for drunk and disorderly
8. Ban all alco-pops ,
9. Ban all advertising
10. yes and EDUCATE our kids .. show them the results of alcohol abuse/misuse, take them to rehab centres, show them a diseased liver, show them it's not cool.

Harsh drastic measures but will ANY Of this happen ??

No .. as already said, there are far too many vested interests, MPs with shares and Lords with directorships in breweries and alcohol beverage companies.

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