daved2524
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Anyone have any idea how us leaving the union will effect our traveling over the water for six months a year?
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There was a guy from the Border Agency on Radio 4 this morning, although on MHF most folks say it will not impact on european travel at all, his view was that if we are out then we would no longer hold a EU passport and we would be quizzed at every border as to the reason for our visit - and issued with a time limited tourist visa - same as when travel outside EU now.
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Boards , short , two comes to mind.There was a guy from the Border Agency on Radio 4 this morning, although on MHF most folks say it will not impact on european travel at all, his view was that if we are out then we would no longer hold a EU passport and we would be quizzed at every border as to the reason for our visit - and issued with a time limited tourist visa - same as when travel outside EU now.
True , but we had agreements before & hopefully they'll continue.Didn't need a visa before we joined, don't see why we'd need one if we left.
Even less likely to turn away the money we spend in France/Spain then. The pet passport is just to get back into UK not to visit France, so would be under our control if we out.[/QUOTE]You don't honestly believe the French would take losing billions of our money without getting as bitchy as possible do you?
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Post Brexit, nothing will change.
Ask any immigrant in the Jungle at Calais. How many times were their passports checked at EU border crossings?
I think the EHIC will no longer be valid.
Can anyone tell me what Cameron has brought back?
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If you are in the EEA then it is EXACTLY the same as being in the EU .Except you have no input into any decisions.
The Uk CANNOT say it will remain in the EEA. The UK is in the EU , A full member. If it votes to leave then it will be out. It will then have to make an agreement during the 2 year period to enter the EEA , along with agreements on 000's of other things. The EU will have no reason whatsoever to actually wish to make an agreement within the 2 year period as the UK would have a reasonable negotiating position & most things will continue as they are now during the period.
Whereas once the 2 year period is up then the UK has to say it is leaving as there is no way of extending the 2 year period & if they don't then the EU is likely to say " There's the door , shut it on the way out ". Then the UK would be negotiating from a position of........... well ,it wouldn't have a position or even have anything to negotiate with. It'd be akin to begging & would likely end up costing more per day to get in the EEA than it does now as a full member.
That would be my strategy as an EU negotiator.
Let me just run this past you once more & for the final time as if you still don't understand that EU=EEA & there is no difference , nothing will change, then it is worrying that you have a vote.
Out has to mean out otherwise you'll be paying the same or more.
An EU full member has a say in decisions made & a possibility of phasing in new regulations . An EEA member has no say in any decision making process & has to implement them by the due date . Both the Swiss & Norwegians have publicly stated that being in the EEA , they pay similar to full members.
but this campaign is like watching a football game where one team is banned from touching the ball,hardly right is it?Balderdash. Whatever one's voting intentions:
1. Cameron didn't have to promise to hold a referendum - but he did.
2. Cameron didn't have to let members of his government campaign against government policy - but he has.
If anything it is the sceptic ministers who are showing their true colours by pretending that they have a right to information when they know full well that they have no such right. In any campaign it is up to those on each side to research their own evidence, not to demand that the opposing side provides it. If the Brexit supporters are unable to provide facts on which people may base their decision then maybe it's because facts to support their case do not exist.
Even Bernard Jenkin, hardly a fan of the EU, realised that the government position was sound at the meeting of the Commons Public Administration Committee yesterday.
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More like some of the players have joined the other side and have been told they can't use their original team shirts.but this campaign is like watching a football game where one team is banned from touching the ball,hardly right is it?
but the gullible will follow the tory line.
Their grandfather, "my wife's father" was born and bred on the south coast of Island so I guess part of their blood line is Irish. My youngest could pass for a paddy in any companyWas he a blood relative...check on line or call them don't know to be honest. My kids intitled as I was born there not sure about wife through.......
Glad you mentioned the Switzerland position:In my post I merely pointed out that the EHIC card was not an EU entity but run by the EEA.
The UK would always have its trade with the EU as a bargaining point.
Switzerland voted not to join the EEA and managed to get a separate deal, so it is possible.
Do EEA countries pay into the EU?
Its worrying that you still have a vote...
Terry
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Glad you mentioned the Switzerland position:
"The cornerstone of EU-Swiss relations is the Free Trade Agreement of 1972.
As a consequence of the rejection of theEEA membership in 1992, Switzerland and the EU agreed on a package of seven sectoral agreements signed in 1999 (known in Switzerland as "Bilaterals I"). These include: free movement of persons, technical trade barriers, public procurement, agriculture and air and land transport. In addition, a scientific research agreement fully associated Switzerland into the EU's framework research programmes.
A further set of sectoral agreements was signed in 2004 (known as "Bilaterals II"), covering, inter alia, Switzerland's participation in Schengen and Dublin, and agreements on taxation of savings, processed agricultural products, statistics, combating fraud, participation in the EU Media Programme, the Environment Agency, and Swiss financial contributions to economic and social cohesion in the new EU Member States.
In 2010 an agreement was signed on Swiss participation in EU education, professional training and youth programmes.
In overall, around 100 bilateral agreements currently exist between the EU and Switzerland.
The on-going implementation of these agreements obliges Switzerland to take over relevant Community legislation in the covered sectors.
These bilateral agreements between the EU and Switzerland are currently managed through a structure of more than 15 joint committees"
So they had to open their borders and agree to be governed by EU legislation without any input to that legislation, seems like a worsening of our current position, oh hang on a minute I'm being all negative, perhaps because it is all negative!
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