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Why not look at a 2KW Kipor?

Cheaper and well tried by quite a few of us.

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Why not look at a 2KW Kipor?

Cheaper and well tried by quite a few of us.

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I guess it was the Honda engine and 'Made in Britain' thing that caught my eye .....

Come to think of it, the Kipor IS probably better :Doh:

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I used to have a Stephill 3.5kw framed genny with a Honda engine, only reason I sold was it was too big and heavy, otherwise first class.

This model looks like a good genny, Honda engined and about half the price of the Honda EU20i .. IMO a better buy than a Kipor
 

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Q. What do you say to the camper that has a Kippor?

A. Anything you like, he'll be deaf as a post::bigsmile:

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Road Runner, I suggest you consider getting the next size up generator to the one you think you want.

As long as you can A carry it, B store it, C afford it.

The rated output on a 2Kva Kipor is only 1.6Kva.

If you knew that already, well great minds etc.

I'm pleased with my Kipper.
 

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Jim should that be "what do you say to a man(our anyone parked within 3 vans of him) who as a kippor:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
we were at a recent meet where there were two gennies running a honda suit case, and a kippor, and you could hear the honda for the kippor, still they are much cheaper:thumb:
 

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Q. What do you say to the camper that has a Kippor?

A. Anything you like, he'll be deaf as a post::bigsmile:

Yerr but your loaded Jim (blooming Honda owner):winky:I am not:cry:

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Hi John, I wish I was loaded, I'm presently looking for a pot to pee in:whatthe:

We were next to a Kipoor stand at Peterborough, they were selling loads. Most people only have them for emergency use, if that's the case then get one. However, if you are full timing or use a genny regularly then maybe you should save up for a Honda, I know you won't regret it if you do, they are superb machines. They make less noise loaded than a Kipoor on tickover:Smile:


: Shouting: ISN'T THAT RIGHT JOHN :ROFLMAO:
 

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Hi John, I wish I was loaded, I'm presently looking for a pot to pee in:whatthe:

But you were giving Fun flyer out at Peterborough wrapped in fivers and tenners to Kipor owners:winky::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

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As the chap that supplies the man that sells loads at the shows, I feel qualified to talk about this, hi by the way my name is Simon Jones. To those that know me (Eddie Vanbitz's son!)
Stephill are good, but very expensive when they go wrong.
Kipor are good but unreliable in the long run.
As an alternative why not look at a Planet? 2 year Warranty. Beaten only by Hondas 5 year warranty.
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As the chap that supplies the man that sells loads at the shows, I feel qualified to talk about this, hi by the way my name is Simon Jones. To those that know me (Eddie Vanbitz's son!)
Stephill are good, but very expensive when they go wrong.
Kipor are good but unreliable in the long run.
As an alternative why not look at a Planet? 2 year Warranty. Beaten only by Hondas 5 year warranty.
Simon

What sort of price are we looking at?
 

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My Kipor's 3 years old and still going well, one problem dirty fuel but was easily sorted and could happen to any generator:winky:

PS:- how about supporting the site with an advert? sure it would be worth it with your products:thumb:

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Kipper noise levels, 54db to 59db
Tickover, and full load.

Honda only give 1 level, at 52Db.
Seems like they are a bit shy about the full load level.

So, yes, Kipor is a bit louder at tickover.
I couldn't find any data on Honda's full load noise level.

Try this page for Kipper info
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And this for Honda guff.
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The above is for the 2kv gennies,
Both of which only produce 1.6kva
 

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The above is for the 2kv gennies,
Both of which only produce 1.6kva

Slight unit error !

I think you meant to say 2kva only produce 1.6kw

The Honda is rated at max 2kw or 2.5kva
.......................continuous 1.6kw or 2kva

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What do you see as the difference between Kva and watts at this level please Jim?

"A volt-ampere in electrical terms, is the amount of power in an alternating current (AC) circuit equal to a current flow of one ampere at an electromotive force of one volt. It is equivalent to watts for non-reactive circuits and in the strictest sense is identical, but by convention the two are used as units for subtly different physical quantities. The instantaneous real power delivered to any load is the voltage across the load at a given instant times the current through the load at that same instant. Making such a measurement requires an instrument that can make simultaneous instantaneous measurements of current and voltage. If separate current and voltage instruments that are incapable of coordinating their measurements are used, and which give root mean square measurements, and the two measurements are multiplied, the result will be apparent power; for reactive loads (loads containing capacitance or inductance), apparent power is greater than real power. By convention, the unit of measure for apparent power is the volt-ampere. For resistive loads, real power equals apparent power; incandescent lights, electric heating elements, and toasters are examples of nearly resistive loads. (Ciletti et al. 1993, 82, for incandescent lights)
While the volt-ampere (abbreviated VA) and the watt are dimensionally equivalent one may find products rated in both VAs and watts with different numbers. This is common practice on UPSs (Uninterruptible Power Supplies). The VA rating is the apparent power that a UPS is capable of producing, while the watt rating is the real power (or true power) it is capable of producing, as opposed to reactive power. In the type of loads often used with UPSs, such as computers, the apparent power used (volt-amperes) will be larger than the true power used (watts). The ratio of these two quantities is called the power factor."

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What do you see as the difference between Kva and watts at this level please Jim?


I pointed out an error in your post.. .. maybe a typo, maybe not.

it's important to understand the difference between kva and kw .. especially when buying .. the difference may not be much but it is significant ..

People understand kw, that's what domestic appliances are rated in.. kva is for designers and engineers, not motorhomers..

A 2kva genny is only 1.6kw .. this is where the confusion arises.. and people are misled.


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useful electrical unit converter .. http://www.dieselserviceandsupply.com
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What do you see as the difference between Kva and watts at this level please Jim?

"A volt-ampere in electrical terms, is the amount of power in an alternating current (AC) circuit equal to a current flow of one ampere at an electromotive force of one volt. It is equivalent to watts for non-reactive circuits and in the strictest sense is identical, but by convention the two are used as units for subtly different physical quantities. The instantaneous real power delivered to any load is the voltage across the load at a given instant times the current through the load at that same instant. Making such a measurement requires an instrument that can make simultaneous instantaneous measurements of current and voltage. If separate current and voltage instruments that are incapable of coordinating their measurements are used, and which give root mean square measurements, and the two measurements are multiplied, the result will be apparent power; for reactive loads (loads containing capacitance or inductance), apparent power is greater than real power. By convention, the unit of measure for apparent power is the volt-ampere. For resistive loads, real power equals apparent power; incandescent lights, electric heating elements, and toasters are examples of nearly resistive loads. (Ciletti et al. 1993, 82, for incandescent lights)
While the volt-ampere (abbreviated VA) and the watt are dimensionally equivalent one may find products rated in both VAs and watts with different numbers. This is common practice on UPSs (Uninterruptible Power Supplies). The VA rating is the apparent power that a UPS is capable of producing, while the watt rating is the real power (or true power) it is capable of producing, as opposed to reactive power. In the type of loads often used with UPSs, such as computers, the apparent power used (volt-amperes) will be larger than the true power used (watts). The ratio of these two quantities is called the power factor."

I deliberately kept it simple sweetheart.

I'm so glad you did sweetheart ... :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

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We like jim own a Honda, and like jim we're not loaded either.

We used to be until we brought a Honda though:ROFLMAO: still anything for a quiet life
 

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It seems as though you are unfamiliar with the normal KISS Principle.
 

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I deliberately kept it simple sweetheart.

problem is you didnt "keep it simple, stupid"......

most of us understand "kick it into submission" but are lost on the "Tefal scientist" stuff.

extremely technical stuff will make folks ignore posts rather than take an interest.

so, please "keep it simple, stupid" is the way foreward....

an alternator makes electric...we dont need to know how...a battery is a box you keep electric in..we dont need to know how....a TV or fridge is something you pour the electric in the box into.....now thats simple.

45eEver isnt an anagram for George Telford by any chance ?

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45eEver is not an anagram for anything.
As far as I know.

I am not George Telford.

Reading my guff is entirely optional.
I am very happy for you to continue your Luddite approach.
 
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Just got my 1kv Kippor out after more than 12 months. Cleaned the plug and bled the fuel, started first pull and running sweet as a nut. :thumb:t
 

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I would be up for supporting the site, not a problem. Price wise, Planet 1 - £325, Planet 2 - £440 Planet 3 £525 - so cheap as chips with a 2 year warranty!

Please feel free to come and see them at Stratford, we will be supporting MTC up there. We could even give Jim commission for every one sold of this site! :Cool:

Si

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