N.Yorkshire no motorhomes proposed order (1 Viewer)

[ourcampersbeentrashed]

Following on from a separate thread it appears North Yorkshire county council have proposed a new Order for “No Motor Caravans” with a temporary order already in place.

Perhaps Motorhomefun as a group of motorhomers and concerned citizens should also push to be consulted as it appears they are consulting with the Caravan Club

Perhaps Motorhomefun should be asking the Caravan Club to inform our organisation each time they are consulted.

 

[GJH]

Councils normally have lists of "recognised" organisations which they consult on various matters. Organisations and individuals can request that they be included on such lists for all matters pertaining to particular types of subject or just for specific items.

In the case of organisations, they normally have nominated officers to produce their responses.

If MotorhomeFun were to join one or more lists then presumably one contact point would be needed and one person would need to collate (possibly widely varying) responses from members to submit as a "corporate" response. The former would be straightforward but I'm not so sure about the latter

 

[Snowbird]

"North Yorkshire", isn't that the dark damp place the wrong side of the Pennines . Am confident there wont be much opposition to a motorhome ban .

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[Ber090]

"North Yorkshire", isn't that the dark damp place the wrong side of the Pennines . Am confident there wont be much opposition to a motorhome ban .

I see where you live! More to be pitied than scorned!
Bernie

 

[teddybard]

There's been a total Ban in the

South Riding of Yorkshire for ever

look it up

 

[Rob and Val]

Andy Strangeway is fighting the case for motorhomers' rights: -
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[Forestboy]

Yet another reason to jump on the Chunnel or Ferry and bugger off abroad and spend your hard earned where your welcome.

 

[Snowbird]

Yet another reason to jump on the Chunnel or Ferry and bugger off abroad and spend your hard earned where your welcome.

Decisions, decisions....North Yorkshire or Cote de Azure

 

[Forestboy]

Decisions, decisions....North Yorkshire or Cote de Azure

Yeah we went to North Yorkshire once it rained & rained & rained etc etc

Only joking :hardhat::hardhat:

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[Snowbird]

Yeah we went to North Yorkshire once it rained & rained & rained etc etc

Only joking :hardhat::hardhat:

Somehow Middlesbrourgh does not have the same ring to it as Cannes, Nice or Monte Carlo does it .

 

[robnchris]

Odd that these local councils haven`t had the fore thought to get together on a list of issues.
Let`s look at this, we vote these people into office and the fact is they are more powerful in their decisions than the government.

An example could be the refuse and recycling collection how many different systems are their in place, the list would go on and on truth is most of the local councils don`t act for the people that vote them into office.

Banning motorhomes is another example of how in these hard pressed times to heap misery upon the local businesses, with a motorhome comes a family with needs and a wallet with which to pay for them.
Ok I know the are the free-loaders, well they will always be there no matter what, have a look at a car park near a Macdonalds, littered with discarded food cartons and this is from the people that live there.

Once again a small minority has ruined it for the caring and considerate people and worst still by a decision from a committe made up of narrow minded little hitlers.

Am I angry at these political low lives, bloody right I am, 70yrs since D`Day when we are rememering those that gave their very lives to keep us free whilst the politictians since that day gave away everything these brave souls died for.

They have the Morals of Alley cats.

I`m now going to chop some logs, I`m angry and don`t want to lose it....:Angry:

 

[GJH]

Somehow Middlesbrourgh does not have the same ring to it as Cannes, Nice or Monte Carlo does it .

Point of information Dave. Middlesbrough left North Yorkshire in 1968 when it became part of Teesside County Borough.

It does have two good points though - A19 and A66 outbound

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[GJH]

Andy Strangeway is fighting the case for motorhomers' rights: -
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He causes even more problems with his stupid stunts and inaccurate statements.

 

[pappajohn]

Following on from a separate thread[HI] it appears North Yorkshire county council have proposed a new Order for “No Motor Caravans” [/HI]with a temporary order already in place.

Perhaps Motorhomefun as a group of motorhomers and concerned citizens should also push to be consulted as it appears they are consulting with the Caravan Club

Perhaps Motorhomefun should be asking the Caravan Club to inform our organisation each time they are consulted.

oh dear....is that the whole of YARKSHIRE then.
Better set the whole county as an 'avoid' into your satnavs.

 

[GJH]

Odd that these local councils haven`t had the fore thought to get together on a list of issues.
Let`s look at this, we vote these people into office and the fact is they are more powerful in their decisions than the government.

An example could be the refuse and recycling collection how many different systems are their in place, the list would go on and on truth is most of the local councils don`t act for the people that vote them into office.

Banning motorhomes is another example of how in these hard pressed times to heap misery upon the local businesses, with a motorhome comes [HI]a family with needs and a wallet with which to pay for them.[/HI]
Ok I know the are the free-loaders, well they will always be there no matter what, have a look at a car park near a Macdonalds, littered with discarded food cartons and this is from the people that live there.

Once again a small minority has ruined it for the caring and considerate people and worst still by a decision from a committe made up of narrow minded little hitlers.

Am I angry at these political low lives, bloody right I am, 70yrs since D`Day when we are rememering those that gave their very lives to keep us free whilst the politictians since that day gave away everything these brave souls died for.

They have the Morals of Alley cats.

I`m now going to chop some logs, I`m angry and don`t want to lose it....:Angry:

We see this type of statement frequently, Rob, but in that form it is purely anecdotal. Many motorhomers take food &c with them and spend very little in some places. What is required is a statement providing hard facts about the amount of money which might be spent in a given location. That might then turn the tide in our favour.

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[Billy23]

Following on from a separate thread it appears North Yorkshire county council have proposed a new Order for “No Motor Caravans” with a temporary order already in place.

Perhaps Motorhomefun as a group of motorhomers and concerned citizens should also push to be consulted as it appears they are consulting with the Caravan Club

Perhaps Motorhomefun should be asking the Caravan Club to inform our organisation each time they are consulted.

Is that the WHOLE of North Yorkshire, or just some bits? Mind you, I never go so its really not that important

 

[pappajohn]

Andy Strangeway is fighting the case for motorhomers' rights: -
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that wan#er....doing more harm than good with his "i'm right, you're wrong" attitude

He ISNT fighting the cause for motorhomers, he's fighting for the sake of it...he doesnt even own a motorhome.

 

[Snowbird]

Point of information Dave. Middlesbrough left North Yorkshire in 1968 when it became part of Teesside County Borough.

It does have two good points though - A19 and A66 outbound

Sorry Graham, I had no idea it had been that long since I ventured tother side the Pennines . Has it changed much since I used to load bag muck fertilizer in Billingham.

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[GJH]

Sorry Graham, I had no idea it had been that long since I ventured tother side the Pennines . Has it changed much since I used to load bag muck fertilizer in Billingham.

It's been going downhill for years Dave so probably only for the worse

Town centre Rofl1:) is now a university campus (used to be a thriving residential area) - and they wonder why shops are closing. Local [STRIKE]council[/STRIKE] Labour Party shoe-in merchants haven't a clue about how to run things.

 

[pappajohn]

[HI]It's been going downhill for years [/HI]Dave so probably only for the worse

Town centre Rofl1:) is now a university campus (used to be a thriving residential area) - and they wonder why shops are closing. Local [STRIKE]council[/STRIKE] Labour Party shoe-in merchants haven't a clue about how to run things.

and thats why we kicked you out of Yorkshire.

 

[Ralph-n-Bev]

That's right. Everybody avoid North Yorks, out of protest , now. :thumb:
You show them you mean business.
Take your fridges full of food you've brought from home , and go down South somewhere.
Find a nice supermarket car park or layby to stay in down there:Cool:



As for us we will carry on using cl's and going to CCC , MCC rallies
We love having such a beautiful county on our doorstep. Lovely friendly people, scenic places , great pubs with good food and fantastic beer.

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[ourcampersbeentrashed]

Is that the WHOLE of North Yorkshire, or just some bits? Mind you, I never go so its really not that important

Not sure Billy I havent the time at the moment to contact the council and ask them for the full information on the proposal

that wan#er....doing more harm than good with his "i'm right, you're wrong" attitude

He ISNT fighting the cause for motorhomers, he's fighting for the sake of it...he doesnt even own a motorhome.

Thats why Councils should be consulting with larger groups such as ours as well

 

[big bertha]

Looking forward to a trip to N Yorkshire in July and spending money in shops,we don't use carparks or laybys to sleep, prefer sites so helping keep both in business. :thumb:

 

[John & Joan]

CONSULTATION RE. MOTOR CARAVAN PROHIBITION – VARIOUS LOCATIONS
Filey Road, Cayton Bay, Osgodby Hill, Cayton Bay, The Beach, Filey, Crescent Hill, Filey, The Crescent, Filey, Sandsend Road, Sandsend, North Promendade, Whitby, East Terrace, Whitby, Royal Crescent, Whitby, Love Lane, Whitby, North Terrace, Whitby, Church Street, Whitby, Royal Albert Drive, Scarborough, Sandside, Scarborough, Foreshore Road, Scarborough, Esplanade, Scarborough.

Good morning

I apologise but recent changes in procedure, mean the attached letter was no longer accurate to describe procedure.

If there are no reasonable objections to the proposals, it is anticipated that the restrictions will be made permanent within six months from the end of the consultation period. From 1st June 2014, If objections are raised which are not resolved or withdrawn, it will be necessary to report the objections to the Director of Environmental Services and the Executive Members for Business and Environmental Services for consideration and a decision on the course of action to be pursued.

I am sorry for any confusion caused by this.

Regards
Emily

Area 3 Whitby Office
North Yorkshire County Council
Whitby Highways Depot
Discovery Way
Whitby
YO22 4PZ
08458727374

Area3.Whitby@northyorks.gov.uk

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[John & Joan]

Nick West B.Tech., C.Eng., M.I.C.E.

Area Manager

Highways & Transportation





Area 3 – Whitby Office
Our ref: MOTORHOME CONSULTATION


Discovery Way
Whitby, YO22 4PZ
Contact: Nick West


Tel: 0845 8727374




Fax: 01947 820314




e-mail: area3.whitby@northyorks.gov.uk
www.northyorks.gov.uk





3rd June 2014
Dear Sir/Madam,


CONSULTATION RE. MOTOR CARAVAN PROHIBITION – VARIOUS LOCATIONS


Filey Road, Cayton Bay, Osgodby Hill, Cayton Bay, The Beach, Filey, Crescent Hill, Filey, The Crescent, Filey, Sandsend Road, Sandsend, North Promendade, Whitby, East Terrace, Whitby, Royal Crescent, Whitby, Love Lane, Whitby, North Terrace, Whitby, Church Street, Whitby, Royal Albert Drive, Scarborough, Sandside, Scarborough, Foreshore Road, Scarborough, Esplanade, Scarborough.


As you may be aware, the County Council, as Highway Authority, introduced temporary traffic restrictions in 2012 to prevent motor caravans parking between the hours of 11pm and 7am at the above locations. In order to make these measures permanent, the Council is required to consult those directly affected by the proposal. The purpose of this letter is to provide you with details of the restrictions and allow you the opportunity to express your views.
Attached is a plan showing the extent of the restrictions in hatched red, and a simple questionnaire to enable you to signify your view(s). Please return questionnaires by 10th July 2014.

North Yorkshire County Council welcomes those using motor caravans to its sea-side resorts. The relevant streets are sea-front locations, where it is considered that the overnight parking of motor caravans significantly detracts from the amenity of the local area and the lives of those living in the streets.

If there are no reasonable objections to the proposals, it is anticipated that the restrictions will be made permanent within six months from the end of the consultation period. If objections are raised which are not resolved or withdrawn, it will be necessary to report the matter to the County Council’s Area Committee which will decide on the course of action to be pursued.
Yours faithfully


Nick West
Area Manager

 

[John & Joan]

No ban on any other type of vehicle. Cars, Buses, Coaches, HGV and high sided vans, Trailers and caravans can all continue to park.

Just what do they mean by "significantly detracts from the amenity of the local area and the lives of those living in the streets" if only Motor Caravans are prohibited.

The simple agenda is to stop people sleeping in vehicles overnight.

The existing TRO states: "Sleeping, camping or cooking" is prohibited in vehicles.
They admit this is unenforceable, as they cannot tell if someone was asleep in a parked vehicle with curtains closed and they would have to enter the vehicle to determine if cooking equipment had been used.

There was no proof of any complaints logged, on the reason given in the temporary prohibitions of rubbish and waste from Motor Caravans on the highway.

 

[Wildbill]

Following on from a separate thread it appears North Yorkshire county council have proposed a new Order for “No Motor Caravans” with a temporary order already in place.

Perhaps Motorhomefun as a group of motorhomers and concerned citizens should also push to be consulted as it appears they are consulting with the Caravan Club

Perhaps Motorhomefun should be asking the Caravan Club to inform our organisation each time they are consulted.

gale it is only certain arias not an out right ban it to stop parking over night in sum places we find lodes of places to park now as it has freed up the hole sea front for every one and it is far more pleasant now not having to fight for a place to park
as most of the spaces were taken up for the summer by blue badge holders.
bill

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[ourcampersbeentrashed]

so, gotta question - if this is about overnight sleeping what about non motorised caravans? ie the ones that are towed?

 

[Wildbill]

so, gotta question - if this is about overnight sleeping what about non motorised caravans? ie the ones that are towed?

never seen one down there

 

[GJH]

No ban on any other type of vehicle. Cars, Buses, Coaches, HGV and high sided vans, Trailers and caravans can all continue to park.

[HI]Just what do they mean by "significantly detracts from the amenity of the local area and the lives of those living in the streets" if only Motor Caravans are prohibited.[/HI]

The simple agenda is to stop people sleeping in vehicles overnight.

The existing TRO states: "Sleeping, camping or cooking" is prohibited in vehicles.
They admit this is unenforceable, as they cannot tell if someone was asleep in a parked vehicle with curtains closed and they would have to enter the vehicle to determine if cooking equipment had been used.

There was no proof of any complaints logged, on the reason given in the temporary prohibitions of rubbish and waste from Motor Caravans on the highway.

Probably that in the eyes of some people our motorhomes are big, ugly, white things that offend the eye. We might love them but that doesn't mean everyone else does. In addition, camping at the roadside (especially extended) denies other vehicle owners use of the parking spots (let's be honest and admit that vans aren't just there during the ban hours but significantly longer).

Rightly or wrongly it is the contra view which has best made its case in having the temporary ban introduced. Also note the words in the other post (my highlighting) "If there are no [HI]reasonable objection[/HI]s to the proposals, it is anticipated that the restrictions will be made permanent". That means that somebody needs to show that the amenity of the local area is not adversely affected and/or that any such adverse affect is outweighed by benefits. Simply saying "Oh no it doesn't" will not work.

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