Air Rifle laws in Europe - Page 6

dazzer · 29-11-2009, 19:55

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Originally Posted by barryd

Ill try and make my point again, this time without trying to be amusing.

The nearest gun club where you can lock up a gun is at least 10 miles away. We are surrounded by fields in which many of us who live here can shoot. Air rifles are kept in a cupboard safe (there is virtually no crime here so they wont get nicked) proper guns are kept in locked cabinets in peoples houses as they have to be by law.

So again. If me or one of my neighbors wants to shoot 100 yards away in a field by his house as an excuse to take the dog out and bludger a few bunnies, why should he have to do a 20 mile drive to pick up his gun first.

Putting a load of guns in a gun club all in one place where everyone knows they are there. Hmm not the best of ideas once the lowlifes get to hear about it!

Ban them from the towns if you like but leave us law abiding bumpkins to our quite frankly gun injury free life!

Virtually no crime where you live?? Your a lucky man!!!

But what if the afforementioned opportunist lowlife decides he really likes your gun and knocks on your door, threatens you with a knife and demands you open your gun safe and give him the ammunition?? Would you refuse......I very much doubt it. And he would know you had a gun because he saw you wandering round the field with it in your hands.

However if the same lowlife decided he wanted your gun but knew it was locked away in a vault 10 miles away, you wouldnt get that knock at the door would you??

With that in mind which is the more secure option??

stagman · 29-11-2009, 20:05

[With that in mind which is the more secure option??[/QUOTE]

I have owned guns for over 40 yrs . no one in their right mind would turn up at my front door with a knife after seeing walking into my house with a gun .Please get real
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barryd · 29-11-2009, 20:07

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Originally Posted by dazzer

Virtually no crime where you live?? Your a lucky man!!!

But what if the afforementioned opportunist lowlife decides he really likes your gun and knocks on your door, threatens you with a knife and demands you open your gun safe and give him the ammunition?? Would you refuse......I very much doubt it. And he would know you had a gun because he saw you wandering round the field with it in your hands.

However if the same lowlife decided he wanted your gun but knew it was locked away in a vault 10 miles away, you wouldnt get that knock at the door would you??

With that in mind which is the more secure option??

Unlikely. If someone sees me wandering around shooting he isnt necessarly going to know where I live and even if he does find out, robbing someones house who you know has a gun is not that clever. However a firm of organised profesionals who know where there are 100 guns stored thanks to your idea of keeping them all in one place in a vault may well find themselves with quite a nice haul.

dazzer · 29-11-2009, 20:08

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Originally Posted by stagman

[With that in mind which is the more secure option??

I have owned guns for over 40 yrs . no one in their right mind would turn up at my front door with a knife after seeing walking into my house with a gun .Please get real
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That would be the same gun that is locked up in a gun cabinet with the ammo in a different place and the bolt in yet another place would it??

Or do you leave loaded weapons laying round the house??

stagman · 29-11-2009, 20:10

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Originally Posted by dazzer

I have owned guns for over 40 yrs . no one in their right mind would turn up at my front door with a knife after seeing walking into my house with a gun .Please get real
r

That would be the same gun that is locked up in a gun cabinet with the ammo in a different place and the bolt in yet another place would it??

Or do you leave loaded weapons laying round the house??[/QUOTE]

Just now you said I had just walked into my house

Jim · 29-11-2009, 20:31

I don't think the theft of guns has ever been a problem, There are thousands of shotguns at homes all over the country, rarely are any stolen. Why steal a shotgun when you can by a revolver for £85 in any UK city and and automatic weapon with ammo for a grand.

Fact file: guns in Britain

Punishment or "respect" shootings are a growing trend in London, with 72 reported cases of people being shot in the legs this year, more than double the 33 incidents reported in 2008.
Between 1 April 1 and 30 September this year, there were more than 1,700 crimes committed involving guns in the capital. This represented a 17 per cent increase on the same period in 2008.
Every year, between 50 and 60 people in England and Wales die as a result of shooting incidents, according to government figures.
The weapons of choice for gangsters are the Mac-10 sub-machine pistol and the Russian-made 9mm Baikal pistol, which is smuggled into the UK from illegal weapons factories located in Lithuania.
In the first seven months of 2009, 985 firearms were seized by police in London. Of these, 217 were "live-firing" weapons, and of these, 136 were handguns, 72 were shotguns and nine were sub-machine guns.
The rest are believed to be "BB" pellet guns, air guns, replicas or other "non-live firing" guns.
A 14-year-old boy was convicted of possessing a gun, a silencer and ammunition for the weapon earlier this year. The weapon was found in his bedroom in Lewisham, south-east London, when he was just 13.

stagman · 29-11-2009, 20:38

[QUOTE=Jim;215893]I don't think the theft of guns has ever been a problem, There are thousands of shotguns at homes all over the country, rarely are any stolen. Why steal a shotgun when you can by a revolver for £85 in any UK city and and automatic weapon with ammo for a grand.
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You are absolutely right Jim , the theft of guns which are held legally by the public has never been a problem .The criminal would never bother to go to all that trouble when he can easily pick up any weapon and calibre he chooses from a pub in the City .