Air Rifle laws in Europe - Page 5

dazzer · 29-11-2009, 14:54

me neither

But the fact still remains there are lots of alternatives to dealing with pests than shooting them (dogs, traps, fencing etc etc etc).

Im not having a go at gun owners/user here and i do feel that farmers really are the exception to the rule as far as the justification for owning a gun is concerned.

I have no idea of statistics for accidental injuries/deaths as a result of gun use but however many it is, its far too many. No doubt some of the injuries/deaths will be down to guns in the hands of farmers (and im talking about farmers using guns for pest control NOT for "sport", although the term "SPORT" has no place in a past time that involved blowing birds out of the sky (why cant it just be called hunting????)...but thats a different story altogether!!!

), but its the other people that dont need to control pests, that cannot honestly justify having a gun in the house.

Its these guns that should be locked away in gun club vaults etc. as its seems to be these guns that hit the headlines with kids finding them and getting hurt.

barryd · 29-11-2009, 15:05

Why shouldnt I keep a gun in my house? I live in a remote village in Teesdale and can shoot out the back of our house, on farm land or on the moors. Usually just an Air Rifle. I occasionally go on shoots with proper guns but not very often and to be honest Im not into killing stuff as much as the other locals these days where it seems to be their favorite pastime. If I want to setup a target in the back garden or field behind my house, whats wrong with that. I am responsible, hardly ever shoot people unless under the influence of strong drink, whats the problem? It gives me great pleasure to watch the farmers kids spend ages building a snowman in the back field to then wild away an hour or two shooting its bits off from the bedroom window.

Wildman · 29-11-2009, 15:17

"SPORT" has no place in a past time that involved blowing birds out of the sky (why cant it just be called hunting????)...but thats a different story altogether!!!), but its the other people that dont need to control pests, that cannot honestly justify having a gun in the house. "

Its these guns that should be locked away in gun club vaults etc. as its seems to be these guns that hit the headlines with kids finding them and getting hurt.
I quite agree of course and things like darts should be banned as well nasty sharp orrible things would have your eye out, and whilst we are at it fish hooks really do get caught up everywhere. 100MPH golf balls are also a real danger, ban them as well, Footballs have smashed more windows than air rifle pellets as well so they should be added to the list
I'm afraid old men with walking sticks should also be banned, quite an offencive weapon a walking stick and don't get me started on knitting needles.
Sport is a matter of skill. firing at targets is one such skill. Hunting for the pot is another and ridding the land of vermin is another. We have come to live in such a nanny society that we are in danger of losing the ability to hunt, shoot and provide, who will defend the country then, who in the event of a global disaster will provide the food for our tables. I am not a hard and fast survivalist but do think we should all be able to hunt and fish, live off the land.

barryd · 29-11-2009, 15:40

Dont forget Toasters! Lethal. (to Americans)

dazzer · 29-11-2009, 15:47

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Originally Posted by Wildman

"SPORT" has no place in a past time that involved blowing birds out of the sky (why cant it just be called hunting????)...but thats a different story altogether!!!), but its the other people that dont need to control pests, that cannot honestly justify having a gun in the house. "

Its these guns that should be locked away in gun club vaults etc. as its seems to be these guns that hit the headlines with kids finding them and getting hurt.
I quite agree of course and things like darts should be banned as well nasty sharp orrible things would have your eye out, and whilst we are at it fish hooks really do get caught up everywhere. 100MPH golf balls are also a real danger, ban them as well, Footballs have smashed more windows than air rifle pellets as well so they should be added to the list
I'm afraid old men with walking sticks should also be banned, quite an offencive weapon a walking stick and don't get me started on knitting needles.
Sport is a matter of skill. firing at targets is one such skill. Hunting for the pot is another and ridding the land of vermin is another. We have come to live in such a nanny society that we are in danger of losing the ability to hunt, shoot and provide, who will defend the country then, who in the event of a global disaster will provide the food for our tables. I am not a hard and fast survivalist but do think we should all be able to hunt and fish, live off the land.

As I said im not having a go at gun owner/users

So you categorise guns to be the same as walking sticks, fishing hooks, footballs and darts then??

Do you know something about this global disaster that the rest of us are unaware of?? You dont need a gun to fish or to grow spuds so i dont really see the similarity there, sorry. After this global catastrophy is all over where are you going to buy bullets for it anyway??

Sport is not necessarily a matter of skill, is fishing, parachuting, rock climbing a sport?? In order for something to be a sport it must have a winner and a looser. Shooting birds.......how often do the birds win???

I think you seem to be missing the point im trying to make. Apart from farmers why does anyone "need" to have a gun in the house?? If you want to shoot at targets, fine go and shoot them at a gun club where its safe to do so and leave your gun there locked up nice and safe when you have finished.

stagman · 29-11-2009, 16:24

[QUOTE=dazzer;215728]As I said im not having a go at gun owner/users

You are so wrapped up in your perfect little world you do not understand and don't want to understand what other people get pleasures from things that you are not in favour of . Perhaps you should try a competitive day at a clay shoot or air rifle range so that you can start to understand what pleasures people get from shooting .

barryd · 29-11-2009, 16:25

Ill try and make my point again, this time without trying to be amusing.

The nearest gun club where you can lock up a gun is at least 10 miles away. We are surrounded by fields in which many of us who live here can shoot. Air rifles are kept in a cupboard safe (there is virtually no crime here so they wont get nicked) proper guns are kept in locked cabinets in peoples houses as they have to be by law.

So again. If me or one of my neighbors wants to shoot 100 yards away in a field by his house as an excuse to take the dog out and bludger a few bunnies, why should he have to do a 20 mile drive to pick up his gun first.

Putting a load of guns in a gun club all in one place where everyone knows they are there. Hmm not the best of ideas once the lowlifes get to hear about it!

Ban them from the towns if you like but leave us law abiding bumpkins to our quite frankly gun injury free life!

dazzer · 29-11-2009, 19:48

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Originally Posted by dazzer

As I said im not having a go at gun owner/users

You are so wrapped up in your perfect little world you do not understand and don't want to understand what other people get pleasures from things that you are not in favour of . Perhaps you should try a competitive day at a clay shoot or air rifle range so that you can start to understand what pleasures people get from shooting .

Glad you know me so well.

I go shooting a couple of times a year

(clay pigeon). I do work for a lot of people who make a living from the shooting industry (duck/pheasant breeders etc). A lot of my friends regularly go shooting for pleasure (dinner!!!!).

I dont have anything against anyone who shoots, the vast majority of gun owners are responsible, hard working people who enjoy nothing more than a day blasting away at whatever they like.

Its the storage of weapons (of all kinds) that concerns me the most and the way kids seem to get hold of guns both air and firearm with usually disasterous results. If there are no guns in the house there is no chance of someone getting hold of it by mistake.